ZT 0300 Disappoints...

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I just took a $15 chinese frame lock folder and "spine whacked" it against my shin. The lock didn't fail. If a $15 cheap knife doesn't fail then no knife costing more, let alone a $200+ knife should fail either. If the "lock" doesn't hold the blade open against even incredibly minor forces then that "lock" is defective. End of story.
 
Blade Runner 7 said:
Then I got a 0801S110V recently. It had a detent hole I hadn't seen before. I ask a simple question to see if other people had it on their knives. The response? ZT fans got all defensive and kept telling me it was OK. I wasn't asking if it was a problem. Just asking if other people had it. Only one person would answer my question. Everyone else (some of whom are in this thread ) jumped to defend ZT. It wasn't even an attack or criticism. The worst part is that I later find out that ZT reps on another message board are making snarky comments about my post. Very unprofessional ZT.
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I think you need to go re-read the thread. You got two very courteous responses saying they had seen that style before and it didn't effect the knife. Instead of saying thanks for the info, you continued to fret about it and try to imply that it was some type of flaw that was going to wear down your detent ball too fast. That's why people got defensive.
 
Spine whacks can be useful to determine how resistant the lock, or spring, is to shock and slippage. I don't think it's really applicable to *most* (Not all.) normal use scenarios, but I think it's useful information for any regular use folder.
 
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You know what? I'm editing this post because I don't want to go down that road again. I'm not getting sucked into the drama plus I don't want to sidetrack this thread any more than I already have.
 
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LadyEarth said:
The difference between yours and mine is I used mine in real world situations where objects has been in the way above the knife. I slipped and moderately hit the top of the ZT 200 and it disengaged but it didn't go far enough to close onto my fingers. Other coworkers over the years has shown me theirs and often expressed concerns about theirs. Some swears by it which is just fine with me. So I personally witnessed others in person their issues. The issues the knives have has real world consequences so I find it worrisome that such is disregarded by the masses in this thread. It is very evident that ZT is the designer of the lock of the ZT 200, hence they're also responsible for the issues it has, responsible enough to actually address it with a better design that I now have in my daily carry, the ZT 550. It should be very clear that it is not the user end that causes the lock failures in most cases.

Rival, you're just choosing to turn a blind eye to the issues that has been very clear for a long while now.

asdf12345 has been saying it a lot better than I have.
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When you slip with the knife it'd apply pressure upwards on the edge of the blade, not on the spine of the blade. You don't "slip" upwards while cutting...please explain a scenario in which you would. If you mean "slipped" as in "tripped" why the hell would you be walking or running while cutting? Your coworkers have ZT 0200s? Wow, what a coincidence! And some of them have "concerns", care to elaborate? Probably not.

Most people who own knives use them to cut. That's their intended use. Your "real life situations" should be cutting, as that's what a knife's for.
 
Paka said:
Most people who own knives use them to cut. That's their intended use. Your "real life situations" should be cutting, as that's what a knife's for.
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This is why I will never understand why Zero Tolerance and so many others decide to put all these silly locks on their knives. They're unnecessary. No locks are needed for cutting. In years past people got by just fine with their stockmans and trappers. I'm still waiting for a ZT slipjoint...
 
craytab said:
Did I ever say there was a conspiracy about trashing ZT? Did I ever say that all the videos of other knives failing where removed? Where do you come up with this stuff.

What I am saying is that who knows what these people on the internet do to their knives and then post about them. Who knows. You sure as snot don't and neither do I. This makes it hear say and in no way any sort of credible evidence to be presented as a basis for your and other's assertions trashing a company. This is basic college research methods/argument stuff. Sorry, but a bunch of folks on youtube aren't evidence. They are just a bunch of folks on youtube, no matter what credit you might want to give them.
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So you suggest that the people posting videos about their knives disengaging under light pressure likely did something to cause those failures to occur more readily. And because you or I don't know for sure if they did, those demonstrated failures can be simply dismissed as invalid.

In other words, because you think there's a chance that these people intentionally screwed with $200+ knives just to make a video they're not getting paid to make, showing a lock failure that didn't exist in the first place, those can be dismissed entirely and nothing anybody demonstrates in a video concerning that lock is relevant.

It seems to me that you think people making knife videos on Youtube are stupid, petty, have dastardly agendas and unlimited resources.

You still didn't address the fact that on both of the other knives I mentioned, I could not find a single video demonstrating a problem with the lock disengaging under light pressure.

I doubt that ZTs are being tested much more frequently than other knives, causing a false sense of more frequent failures. There are dozens of destruction tests on knives with Axis & Triad locks. (Most fail to break the blade or the lock, and the tests that do break either invariably involve extreme abuse of the knife).

And yes, there were certain Benchmade & Cold Steel models whose locks had a high failure rate. Each of these knives had several videos dedicated to demonstrating these failures, just like there were several videos demonstrating the failures of the aforementioned ZT models.

But according to you - those demonstrations are categorically irrelevant because they're on Youtube and we don't know if the maker of the video tampered with the lock, has something against the manufacturer, or ate a bad meal that day or didn't get enough sleep.
 
Still spine whacking a dead horse I see.

Best of luck to the OP. Send it in for a repair or use it, either way I think you got a solid knife.

Moose
 
asdf12345 said:
So you suggest that the people posting videos about their knives disengaging under light pressure likely did something to cause those failures to occur more readily. And because you or I don't know for sure if they did, those demonstrated failures can be simply dismissed as invalid.

In other words, because you think there's a chance that these people intentionally screwed with $200+ knives just to make a video they're not getting paid to make, showing a lock failure that didn't exist in the first place, those can be dismissed entirely and nothing anybody demonstrates in a video concerning that lock is relevant.

It seems to me that you think people making knife videos on Youtube are stupid, petty, have dastardly agendas and unlimited resources.

You still didn't address the fact that on both of the other knives I mentioned, I could not find a single video demonstrating a problem with the lock disengaging under light pressure.

I doubt that ZTs are being tested much more frequently than other knives, causing a false sense of more frequent failures. There are dozens of destruction tests on knives with Axis & Triad locks. (Most fail to break the blade or the lock, and the tests that do break either invariably involve extreme abuse of the knife).

And yes, there were certain Benchmade & Cold Steel models whose locks had a high failure rate. Each of these knives had several videos dedicated to demonstrating these failures, just like there were several videos demonstrating the failures of the aforementioned ZT models.

But according to you - those demonstrations are categorically irrelevant because they're on Youtube and we don't know if the maker of the video tampered with the lock, has something against the manufacturer, or ate a bad meal that day or didn't get enough sleep.
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Looks like you are starting to get it. Then again, I have said that before and been proven totally wrong.

Take what you read and see on the interwebs with a grain of salt. This thread is a great example :thumbup:
 
Why was the ZT forum closed down again?... :rolleyes::foot:;)


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Czechmate said:
Why was the ZT forum closed down again?... :rolleyes::foot:;)
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Because of crap like this! Nice 300 BTW. The 301 I have hasn't seen near the action but it is a solid knife. I use my first hand experiences with the knife to determine how solid it is :thumbup:
 
craytab said:
Looks like you are starting to get it. Then again, I have said that before and been proven totally wrong.

Take what you read and see on the interwebs with a grain of salt. This thread is a great example :thumbup:
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I wasn't agreeing with you, I was incredulous that you think it's okay to categorically dismiss multiple video demonstrations just because you have the suspicion that those people did something to cause the disengagement issues.

Just as I have no evidence that it didn't happen, you have no evidence that it happened. What reason do you have to believe that several people with the same issues were all screwing with expensive knives just to prove a nonexistent point?

What about other videos showing these issues with different knives and brands? What about the fact that many of the aforementioned people also have videos in praise of ZT knives?
 
You watch a lot of youtube videos I see... and believe them too. That's a great concrete source of reliable info for you to base your trolling.

Out of curiosity what are you trying to prove? That zt has "lots" of failures?
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I wasn't agreeing with you, I was incredulous that you think it's okay to categorically dismiss multiple video demonstrations just because you have the suspicion that those people did something to cause the disengagement issues.

Just as I have no evidence that it didn't happen, you have no evidence that it happened. What reason do you have to believe that several people with the same issues were all screwing with expensive knives just to prove a nonexistent point?

What about other videos showing these issues with different knives and brands? What about the fact that many of the aforementioned people also have videos in praise of ZT knives?
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Is this thread still going?

OP, like many other people have said, send the knife in under warranty or use it as is.

If you're still not satisfied, bump up to Gold membership and sell it.
 
asdf12345 said:
I wasn't agreeing with you, I was incredulous that you think it's okay to categorically dismiss multiple video demonstrations just because you have the suspicion that those people did something to cause the disengagement issues.
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This is just silly. The fact that you trust random people on the youtubes over logic and reason is troubling. You hate on an entire line or model of knife and your evidence is youtube? Please...

asdf12345 said:
Just as I have no evidence that it didn't happen, you have no evidence that it happened. What reason do you have to believe that several people with the same issues were all screwing with expensive knives just to prove a nonexistent point?
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I don't know what the hell people on youtube do or why they do it. That is the point. I will trust actual data points to back up my assertions rather than random yahoos on some video website. Sorry, this is just common sense.

asdf12345 said:
What about other videos showing these issues with different knives and brands? What about the fact that many of the aforementioned people also have videos in praise of ZT knives?
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Who gives a flying fart sack about "other videos"! That is my point. Your evidence is flawed yet you use it to condemn.

I think I hear the hammer coming......And by I think, I mean I hope....
 
No need to continue at this pace, this discussion has unraveled enough and didn't necessarily get off to the best start.
 
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