Zt 0392

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Scurvy092 said:
You clearly don't know BladeForums well enough.

The amount of time it would have taken Rick to produce 1000 sets of hardware would have been forever prompting SCORES of, how come ZT takes forever getting knives to market threads.

Then, if 1000 were released (with serial numbers going over 1000 to account for knives that don't pass QC), it would be the 0560cbcf all over again with scores of, why even bother making it limited if there's so many, why does the resale value on my LE suck, how can you even call it limited, I can't believe I spent so much on this knife when there's so many (all actual complaints brought up here about the 0560cbcf which was the only LE to be produced in the 1000ish piece range, that we know of).
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Scurvy, you need to lighten up. I understand that you are a member of the Order of KAI, but you are being far too defensive. So, with that being said, let me address some of your points here;

I know BladeForums very well, I've been on here daily for many years.

Look at my profile and then check out the "About Me" section. Do you see where it says Mechanical Engineer? I have an extremely good idea of how long it takes to make 1000 sets of hardware, far less time than you think. Have you ever heard of a HAAS CNC machine? I know Rick Hinderer has, and I bet that he has a machine shop filled with them.

You seem to miss my point about running this release to 1000 units. My point being is to completely do away with their idea of "Limited Edition" altogether. I believe the 0560cbcf is a great example, so thank you for bringing it up. The only people whose feelings got hurt were those trying to "cash in" on what they perceived as limited numbers. I could care less about those people, if they want to cash in or make some money, do what I did and start a business! Did everyone who wanted an 0560cbcf get one? I think they did. Did everyone who wanted an 0392 get one? I think that you know the answer to that.
 
Folks, please see fit to discuss the knife instead of each other. We're here for the former, not the latter.
 
So, let me see if I can summarize...
-Those that had orders pass through any of the 5 dealers, have been fairly quiet, meaning they are probably pretty happy.
-There is a segment of this group that evidently believes that all internet based businesses should have massive blade server arrays set up to handle sudden bursts of internet traffic, such as a sale on LE knives.
-The demand for the ZT 0392 appears to have been too much for the 5 dealers internet services and shopping cart services/payment processors to handle. Some have gone above and beyond expected customer service to try and make customers happy, even though they don't have to.
-There are people that still bash KAI for having 5 different dealers to take the internet traffic hit instead of their own system that, admittedly, needs to be beefed up but appears to be getting there.
-There is a segment of the participants in this thread that are here to threadcrap since they couldn't care less about ZT. ;)
-My opinion, the knife itself should be considered a success since it has generated so much buzz with the Hinderer collaboration. Who else can say they are trying to do the same thing and getting the maker's brand, styles and accents out with a mass market approach?

With the bi-polar response here, why would any of the KAI employees sully their feet wading in here to explain? Don't tell me that they deserve it, either, since they are company and should have thick skin. That is a bunch of crap.

I, for one, welcome playing with my 0392. It will be used as it is designed and loved every time I pick it up.

EDIT: -Some of the participants here appear to be Warren Buffett with their business advice.
 
Accelerator said:
Scurvy, you need to lighten up. I understand that you are a member of the Order of KAI, but you are being far too defensive. So, with that being said, let me address some of your points here;

I know BladeForums very well, I've been on here daily for many years.

Look at my profile and then check out the "About Me" section. Do you see where it says Mechanical Engineer? I have an extremely good idea of how long it takes to make 1000 sets of hardware, far less time than you think. Have you ever heard of a HAAS CNC machine? I know Rick Hinderer has, and I bet that he has a machine shop filled with them.

You seem to miss my point about running this release to 1000 units. My point being is to completely do away with their idea of "Limited Edition" altogether. I believe the 0560cbcf is a great example, so thank you for bringing it up. The only people whose feelings got hurt were those trying to "cash in" on what they perceived as limited numbers. I could care less about those people, if they want to cash in or make some money, do what I did and start a business! Did everyone who wanted an 0560cbcf get one? I think they did. Did everyone who wanted an 0392 get one? I think that you know the answer to that.
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If it was so easy for Rick to make hardware, he would always have them in stock on his website. He's not a hardware manufacturer, he has other stuff for those fancy CNCs to do besides make hardware all day.

What you're failing to understand is that the people most upset are the loudest. Even if its a minority of membership. I'm glad everyone who wanted a 0560cbcf got one, I am. The reality of the situation is, there were still a shit ton of griping about it, just a different set of people.

Someone is always going to upset no matter what happens.
 
wobly said:
...I, for one, welcome playing with my 0392. It will be used as it is designed and loved every time I pick it up...
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In an effort to be positive, I am very happy for you! It is nice to know that someone will be enjoying and using what looks to be a VERY cool knife. Cheers!
 
Honestly speaking, I'm not sure I really want the 0392, assuming it does ship out. I was mostly in it for the thrill and the possibility of working out a trade for another LE that I might want in the future. That might sound wrong, but I have so many knives that it almost don't make sense to break another one out just to break it out. If you think that I should have let someone else have it then you're missing the point. Every time ZT releases a new LE, we go through the same scharade so I can't help but enjoy the experience. If you missed it this time, get your game on for the next one and move on.
 
I can't imagine the after-market prices being too crazy given that the Hinderer production version is available for not that much more.

Personally, I had no interest in this knife at full MSRP (nothing wrong with it, just didn't inspire me), so I was happy to have been able to sit it out. I do think ZT should make more of these hi-demand LE models, but at least they seem to be stepping up with the production knives - I'm very happy to see the 0452 come out (now just ditch the MAP enforcement).
 
Somehow I managed to score one from HOB using my phone and crappy hotel wifi in the middle of a business luncheon. Go figure. Now I'm almost afraid to look at email for fear of the dreaded "refund" letter!
 
This is getting rich...if I sold a product that sold out this fast I would only charge more.
 
Just received email from knifecenter hoping it wasn't the cancelation letter:eek:
Thankfully it was:

Order Has Shipped! KnifeCenter.com
Invoice Date: 18-Feb-2015 Greetings Bludgeon,

Thank you for ordering from KnifeCenter.com.

We wanted to let you know that your order (ZT0392) has shipped! Please keep a copy of this invoice for your records.
 
Hackenslash said:
Somehow I managed to score one from HOB using my phone and crappy hotel wifi in the middle of a business luncheon. Go figure. Now I'm almost afraid to look at email for fear of the dreaded "refund" letter!
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I've also been dreading the Refund email from HoB for about four hours now. So far I'm still in an "Awaiting Fulfillment" status but I keep waiting for the proverbial other shoe to drop.
 
Scurvy092 said:
Hell, even the mighty 0454 doesn't go for more than 100-150 over MSRP these days.
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That is exactly right. People that are trying to pump the price up through buzz are hoping their investment was worth it. As I posted earlier the 0454 is much more limited and still can be had for $700.

The $1500 sold is most likely a setup, it happens all the time on eBay, there is a prominent seller that specializes in trying to pump up prices using multiple accounts bidding winning then refunding himself at no cost. No one is paying $1500 for a ZT hinderer, you can have a real one doe not much more. Think of it this way, $1500 can get you a RJ Modulator, I'm pretty sure there is no collector that would choose a 0392 over a custom modulator.
 
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