ZT 0450 keeps cutting my thumb knuckle when closing

I'm at a loss at this point. I honestly have no idea how you're having trouble closing it. I also have a bunch of frame locks and close this one the same as I close the others.
I'll give ya $50 for it!!
Joe
 
shinyedges said:
So the point of this thread is what? To alert everyone you have a knife that cuts you on its own? If every 0450 owner was being attacked by their knife we would have heard about it on Bladeforums. Many Many 0450 owners have ZERO problems closing their knives, I hardly think it has a design flaw causing you to cut yourself. Get a grip.

When you are the only one having an issue out of tens of thousands, reexamine whether it's a design flaw or user error. Judging by your posts thus far I believe this post will fall upon deaf ears so to speak.
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He never said it was a design flaw (or did I miss it). He said he has this problem and asked if anyone else did. He probably expected that only people that did would respond?

Why do folks take it so personally when someone doesn't like a knife that the do? You can hate every knife I like, leaves more for me on the shelf.
 
extrastout said:
Most of the people that replied probably liked the knife since my post stated 0450. Thats a gravitational pull toward supporters, not critics
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Really? We don't share your assessment that the problem lies with the knife; so we're all a bunch of fanboys? Why am I not surprised, lol

If I liked the knife, I would have owned one by now...Hell, I turned down one offered as a gift - but that doesn't fit in with the picture you want to paint.
What several of us have been trying to convey is that your technique isn't the safest. Sure, you've gotten away with it with other knives; but that doesn't mean that there isn't room for change. You're not the only person that uses your knife to cut things, or that finds himself in less that ideal circumstances while doing so. I don't use two hands to open/close modern folders... and I don't have to exert extra thought to close them (other than remembering when I'm using a knife with a different type of lock - darn PM2 messes me up because I rarely carry it).
Perhaps, after some time, you can reflect on this thread & reconsider what has been said here. I'm sorry if you've taken the comments personally, or as an attack (as suggested by your "I'm not an idiot"protestations); but I'm pretty sure that none were intended to cause offense.
Enjoy whatever knife/knives you choose to carry.
 
He absolutely blamed the design. I don't even like the knife in question.

Perhaps less assuming on your part and more reading what he wrote would be beneficial.

It's not the design or there's a crap ton of lucky people who have no issues.
LastRodeo said:
He never said it was a design flaw (or did I miss it). He said he has this problem and asked if anyone else did. He probably expected that only people that did would respond?

Why do folks take it so personally when someone doesn't like a knife that the do? You can hate every knife I like, leaves more for me on the shelf.
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Sounds like you are having issues with the knife not fitting into your methods of use, this is not the knife's fault so don't blame the knife, just sell it or put it in a safe and move on. The more you post the more it seems like you just want attention.
 
extrastout said:
Yes, thats because the design is what is causing me to cut myself. The blade cuts me when closing not using :rolleyes:...your hilarious btw thanks for the input
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Said it here, amongst numerous other times.

I like how an inanimate object that does what YOU make it do, is wrong, but You aren't...

Kids these days.
 
shinyedges said:
He absolutely blamed the design. I don't even like the knife in question.

Perhaps less assuming on your part and more reading what he wrote would be beneficial.

It's not the design or there's a crap ton of lucky people who have no issues.
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I read it all again. The closest thing I could find was that he said it is a small/thin knife. Was there something else that referenced design flaw?

If you don't like a thread, move on. This is a knife forum. He can't discuss a knife unless he is in love with it?
 
I've had my ZT 0450 for a while now and it's part of my EDC rotation. It gets used for all sorts of cutting tasks and I've never had any problems with the knife cutting my thumb when closing. I close ALL of my framelock and linerlock knives exactly the same way every time and I never have an issue. I keep my knuckle out of the way throughout the entire process. I don't have to think about it due to muscle memory. Doesn't matter what knife I'm carrying the technique is consistent.

Looks like the OP and several others need to modify their knife closing technique. Nothing wrong with the ZT 0450 design (besides the plunge grind extending past the sharpening choil).

 
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Wow, reading comprehension issues.

Bill quoted it for you, just read it man. I often post my opinion of knives I don't like, so no not every post has to be glowing praise. Any one who knows my posts over the last 5 years will attest to that.

What is happening here is a guy continuously cuts him self (LOL) and blames the knife rather than his technique. Then you roll in all confused and refuse to understand what is happening, all while screaming "fanboy" LOL jeesh, to funny.
LastRodeo said:
I read it all again. The closest thing I could find was that he said it is a small/thin knife. Was there something else that referenced design flaw?

If you don't like a thread, move on. This is a knife forum. He can't discuss a knife unless he is in love with it?
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LastRodeo said:
I read it all again. The closest thing I could find was that he said it is a small/thin knife. Was there something else that referenced design flaw?

If you don't like a thread, move on. This is a knife forum. He can't discuss a knife unless he is in love with it?
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He can discuss whatever he likes, but he isn't trying to take part in a conversation.
- He is trying to say there is a design flaw when there is a user error.

His unsafe operation of the lock mechanism on this one particular model doesn't work like the ones on his other knives, and this is causing him to cut himself. Due to this, he is going to shelve it instead of learning how to do it correctly since he is standing by his opinion that the Knife is faulty when He is the only person that has mentioned this "issue"...

He doesn't want a conversation, opinions, or other help in correcting his issue. He just wants us to agree that he is less at fault than the chunk of Ti and steel in his hands.
Unfortunately, most here are in disagreement.
 
I guess there is more than one way to interpret his comments and the responses then.

Enjoy the thread. I move on when I lose interest (or never had interest at all).
 
He said and I quote "That's because the DESIGN is what is causing me to cut myself"

How else is that to be interpreted? Head, meet sand.
 
You should interpret it as his opinion. He can have one, even if it doesn't align with others.
 
I looked at the pics you posted. It appears that from time to time the detent ball is not getting on the blade and in the detent tract. if this is what's happening, I can understand how having your thumb positioned in the path of the blade can bite you. I've got a 450 and 452 and they're the same design. With mine, once the detent ball is on the blade, the pressure of the lock bar is enough to prevent the blade from free falling. Maybe yours doesn't have the same lock bar tension as others.
I would bet, if you would break the blade over a little more than in the pics that the detent ball would be on the blade putting pressure on the blade so it won't free fall.
Or, you may need to tighten the pivot a bit to tighten it up so you won't continue to cut yourself.
 
I have a couple of 0450s, and I must be using them wrong because neither of them has shown a thirst for my blood (that there's something off about the way the cfzdp looks at me sometimes).

Also, so much this:

shinyedges said:
Must be related to banana tanto guy LOL
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This has gotten comical! All you over zealous fan boys just need to ice one of you can't take the heat of someone having a differing view than yourselves.

I myself agree with the OP that there's a flaw in how this model operates that allows it to bite its user.

And before it goes any further anyone else that thinks its user error is just complety stupid and off their rockers.
 
Hey guys..how come when I create a thread with actual questions/comments that are meant to fully engage the community I get like 4 views and 2 replies but this idiot can't close a knife correctly and he has the busiest thread on BF right now ? Lol.
 
I bought this knife for my friend for his 30th birthday. I don't own it myself. He's not a knife guy. I sent him a video about the knife and how to use it one handed. I specifically pointed this out to him to be mindful of. You can definitely train yourself to use it safely the way it is, but looking at the pictures OP posted closing the knife it's going to be pretty hard for him. With puffy fingers like that and short stubby nails I'd go back to 940. It's got a nice thick tip more suited for jobsites anyhow. Calling him idiot is being a disrespectful motherfucker
 
Solution: OP just have a sheath made, leave the knife open and use it like a fixed blade. Or sell it and get a new knife; perhaps a fixed blade.
 
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