ZT 0454 Limited Release 9/30/2014 6pm Pacific

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bodog said:
It's kind of funny seeing guys go apeshit over a cpm d2 blade on bearings with a carbon fiber scale on titanium. I know it's a good looking knife but holy cow, you can buy an absolutely stunning custom folder with something like a stellite 6k blade on bearings with some beautiful, fairly exotic handle materials the price of this knife. To each his own, but for a collector's piece, this one falls short. For a high performance piece, this one falls short. For a hard use piece, this one falls short. I'm at a loss as to why so many people are tripping over themselves for this specific knife. And I'm a ZT fan, so what's that say?
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Where can I buy this stunning custom folder with a stellite 6k blade for $500? Or a frame lock with a 4 inch blade that comes in south of 4.5 oz? This knife has a design scheme that I've wanted for quite some time (long, lean, & light) with quality materials but just haven't been able to find for this kind of price.
 
bodog said:
It's kind of funny seeing guys go apeshit over a cpm d2 blade on bearings with a carbon fiber scale on titanium. I know it's a good looking knife but holy cow, you can buy an absolutely stunning custom folder with something like a stellite 6k blade on bearings with some beautiful, fairly exotic handle materials the price of this knife. To each his own, but for a collector's piece, this one falls short. For a high performance piece, this one falls short. For a hard use piece, this one falls short. I'm at a loss as to why so many people are tripping over themselves for this specific knife. And I'm a ZT fan, so what's that say?
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First of all, there are a ton of custom folders for sale on this site's Exchange sections at any given time, both from makers as well as members who are wanting to pass their custom folders on. Prices are rarely below $500 for top level materials or quality makers. So, it's not as though high quality folders of similar quality level to the 0454 are going for less, ok? So, let's close that line of logic now and save the time, eh?

Secondly, the rarity of this knife contributes to its value for those who purchased it*. That's in addition to those materials which you list off as though they aren't quality. Here's a hint, high priced collectibles are RARELY about the materials used in making them. Do you go to art galleries, see expensive paintings and condescendingly laugh about people going "apeshit" for what amounts to some paint, a wooden frame, and a stretch of canvas? I mean, why bother paying, right? You could just have any number of "artists" out there, make you a copy of that painting for pennies, right?

Right?

Lastly, you list all the areas you feel this knife falls short. I find it odd that you'd make those statements given that you clearly don't own one, so I'm not sure how you can comment on the knife's useability or performance. Secondly, in what way does this knife fall short as a collector's piece? It's super rare, not many were made, and all of ZT's other super rare LEs have done quite well on the secondary market. A ZT fan (as you claim to be) would know that.

Just a poorly made post all around, man.


*Full disclosure, I'm not one of them.
 
Nothing really all that special. As far as knives go, you can find them all day long for between 500 and 1000. Top notch work, top notch materials, etc. There's nothing really special about this knife except that ZT drummed up a storm and people got excited because other people got excited. Had this knife been made by a normal guy (with probably better tolerances and heat treat) then it'd sell for about 400 flat with little to no secondary markup. That's just the truth of it.

This wasn't a bash the 454 or ZT in general thread, it was a "hey, think about what you're doing and why and what this knife does to contribute" post. It was also a post about going with the smaller guys who produce things that are just as good or better for less. Buy alas, you can't flip those small guy's knives for double or triple on here or fleabay.
 
bodog said:
Nothing really all that special. As far as knives go, you can find them all day long for between 500 and 1000. Top notch work, top notch materials, etc. There's nothing really special about this knife except that ZT drummed up a storm and people got excited because other people got excited. Had this knife been made by a normal guy (with probably better tolerances and heat treat) then it'd sell for about 400 flat with little to no secondary markup. That's just the truth of it.

This wasn't a bash the 454 or ZT in general thread, it was a "hey, think about what you're doing and why and what this knife does to contribute" post. It was also a post about going with the smaller guys who produce things that are just as good or better for less. Buy alas, you can't flip those small guy's knives for double or triple on here or fleabay.
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I'm a huge supporter of custom knives, but I think you're a little off track. There's no way you can pick up a custom Sub frame lock in this quality for under $500. This is also designed by one of the best knife designers (in my opinion) in the industry. Sinkevich knives are extremely hard to acquire and if you've handled the 454 you'd realize why.
 
Cpm d2 isn't that special. Sandvik steel isn't that special. The copper brazing prevents higher hrc on the blade. Carbon fiber is available all the time now. Does this knife honestly warrant such praise? No, it really doesn't. It's like girls screaming at the thought of Justin Bieber or something. He's just a man and should be taken at what he's worth. It's the mob mentality or the thought of flipping for a profit that creates such a stir. For a bunch of (primarily) men, I'd think that'd be more avoidable. I guess everyone has something that makes their panties wet, even if it's only because someone else told you to get wet.
 
bodog said:
Here. Stellite 6k with carbon fiber and a nice pocket clip for 550. This one, I'm sure, was the only one made. Talk about exclusivity. And I'm sure it could've been made with bearings for a couple bucks more.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...bon-Fiber-Slicer-*SOLD*?highlight=Stellite+6k
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Alan's knives get a huge response from the community all the time, and very well deserved. I love and own many pieces from him, but you have to realize this community is about diversity. People like, and purchase different knives for different reasons. Sinkevich's knives are some of the most ergonomic I have ever handled.
 
I'm saying for between 500 and 1000 bucks, which is what this knife costs, something better could be had. I'm sure guys would realize that if they didn't get caught up in the teenage girl mentality.
 
And, bodog, that knife you linked is not available, you would pay a crap ton more than that if you found it now, and personally, it looks like hell.

Put it up against a 454 and it is going to look very ugly, again, my opinion.

Hold your breath for a 454 for $650 in the future.

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Also, that knife is shorter OAL than the 0454 while being heavier. It also uses G10 and is a liner lock, as opposed to beautiful 3-D machined CF and a titanium sub-frame lock with hardened insert. It also isn't a flipper. I fail to see how these are comparable.
 
Actually, sounds like bloviation from someone who could not get one.

Not special. I laugh.

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RevDevil said:
Uhh, they are not showing any knives available from Sinkovich, rather there is one from Shirogorov, a completely different person.
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The link is to a Sinkovich knife for 650. Of course it's not available, I'm posting that to show what's available and for how much. Sure, they were sold for 500, but how much are they selling for on the secondary market? 500 bucks may be fair, or even a little too high, but 1000 bucks on the secondary? For what?
 
mqqn said:
Actually, sounds like bloviation from someone who could not get one.

Not special. I laugh.

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No desire to spend 500 bucks for cpm d2. The 0777 with m390 for 500 bucks? Now that was obviously worth it even though I personally didn't care for the blade shape. But at the time, m390 was, and still is, top tier with few people working with it. Cpm d2? No, not really, it's readily available and there's nothing too special about it.
 
Didn't mean to get into an argument. People can buy whatever the hell they want. I don't see the specialty of the knife. Yeah, I handled them. I looked at them, and I don't see it. I'm glad you guys found cpm d2 and bearings worth getting excited about. Truly. What's life without a little vice here and there? If cpm d2, carbon fiber, and bearings do it, then great. I'm personally waiting in the wings for some vanadis 4e, 4v, or something new to come around to get excited about.
 
bodog said:
No desire to spend 500 bucks for cpm d2. The 0777 with m390 for 500 bucks? Now that was obviously worth it even though I personally didn't care for the blade shape. But at the time, m390 was, and still is, top tier with few people working with it. Cpm d2? No, not really, it's readily available and there's nothing too special about it.
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I think we do all get it, you don't like the knive, and you think it is nothing special, and overpriced.

Really, we do get it.

Now, close your session on the internet, and go to your local hospital. Go to the newborn area, and start telling all of the proud new parents how their babies aren't special.

Kinda sounds like your thing

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I don't necessarily disagree with bodog, but the issue he's taking with the steel is a little exaggerated imo.
 
The Davis knife that you provided an example of is no doubt a knife made of high quality materials and I'm glad makers such as he provide a quality product at a decent price point but come on.... Haha. I have nothing bad to say about that blade but the 454 is pretty much incomparable to it. The ergos, blade shape,and just the overall eye appeal of the 454 are reasons that the knife is amazing. I dondon't own a 777 because it doesn't fit what I like to carry but there is no doubt that it is a hell of a collectors piece and its safe to say that the 454 is as well. The original post that was made about the 454 and the buyers being silly for paying $500 for it is laughable. I think the post was made just to see the reaction it would get because its premise was dillusional at best.
 
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