ZT 0454 Limited Release 9/30/2014 6pm Pacific

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jrblucky7 said:
The Davis knife that you provided an example of is no doubt a knife made of high quality materials and I'm glad makers such as he provide a quality product at a decent price point but come on.... Haha. I have nothing bad to say about that blade but the 454 is pretty much incomparable to it. The ergos, blade shape,and just the overall eye appeal of the 454 are reasons that the knife is amazing. I dondon't own a 777 because it doesn't fit what I like to carry but there is no doubt that it is a hell of a collectors piece and its safe to say that the 454 is as well. The original post that was made about the 454 and the buyers being silly for paying $500 for it is laughable. I think the post was made just to see the reaction it would get because its premise was dillusional at best.
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My original post didn't say anything about the price tag. It was about guys going crazy about this knife when knives that can be better can be had for the same price they're selling for. Show me a 454 that's available for 500 bucks and I'll show you 5 more that sold for almost twice that.
 
Anyway, I don't fault guys for buying what they want. Different strokes for different folks. I said I don't get it aside from ZT marketing well, flippers coming in to gouge the secondary market, and a teenage girl's mentality that stoked the fire under the 454. I'll stay out of it and go with what lights my fire. Higher grade steels, revolutionary designs that actually benefit a knife in use, and great performance to price ratios.

Anyway, I'm getting more and more into the usefulness and design of fixed blades. Folders are becoming, to me, akin to a folding pocket hammer. Sure, it can do light work, but when real work is performed, go with the right tool that's designed to withstand it. But that's me and what does it for me. Others want a lightly stainless steel that doesn't perform as well as other steels on the market now. That's them.

Personally, I'm waiting anxiously for the 0180.
 
If the knife isnt for you, why do even bother posting? Really wasnt a meaningful or insightful post, it was just hateful and trolling. This argument is age old, and will never change, yet people like you keep perpetuating it and ruining what should stay an informative, useful thread for owners/potential owners. I know you want to back your original post as you have been somewhat backed into a corner by fans and fanboys alike, but just drop it man, you cant win and never will win this argument. IF you cant understand, dont comprehend, or just want to hate on it, just think to yourself, what do i bring to the thread by posting? If you cant think of something that you will add to the thread besides negativity, dont post, its simple forum etiquette. Ive played with somewhere around 5 of these in various settings, and every one of them was fantastic, and can you argue against D2? Maybe, but they why do many, including custom makers, use it? Because it works. ZT is bordering on the custom level at this point based on quality control and use of high level designers.
 
I've got just one word for y'all: "Rationalization"

According to Wikipedia: "Rationalization can be used to avoid admitting disappointment: 'I didn't get the job that I applied for, but I really didn't want it in the first place.'"

I think that we're lucky to have had a chance to purchase any 0454s here in North America. I'm sure ZT could have sold all of them in Russia (or elsewhere overseas) and avoided a lot of unnecessary drama here.

Wish I could have afforded to buy one, its another functional work of art from the craftsmen at ZT, in my opinion.
 
Please stop with the backhanded compliments and antagonisms. You've got a history of being a little on the abrasive side (in case you aren't already aware). Buy and enjoy what you like and let others do the same without passing your superiority complex onto them. It's not needed here, really.
 
Because I was hoping that someone could tell me a reason why they went crazy for it, as expressed in the first post I made. I don't get it. There's nothing really special about it. I guess if the ergos are that good for you, then that means something because that's the difference between using it and not using it, but I can think of a lot lower priced knives that have good ergos. Especially when most people are going to just throw this knife in a drawer or display case.
 
Like you said, to each their own, and everyone has a right to their opinion. I wanted to point out though, that knife you linked to, was NOT made by Sinkevich. It was his design made my Igor Shirogorov.

Also, CPM D2 is a really good steel. I'd take it over S30v or 154cm any day. I've made knives using CPM D2 and M390 - While M390 is a better steel, in my cutting tests, only by a margin of about 20%.
 
I know it's a good looking knife but holy cow, you can buy an absolutely stunning custom folder with something like a stellite 6k blade on bearings with some beautiful, fairly exotic handle materials the price of this knife. --- emphasis on where it says "the price of this knife"

And the fact that you can show me 5 more that have already sold for double the retail price speaks this knife's collectability which you also said was another way the 454 fell short.
But I'm going to bow out of this debate since the only place the teenage girl mentality inside of me about the 454 has reared its ugly head is within this conversation.
 
RevDevil said:
Please stop with the backhanded compliments and antagonisms. You've got a history of being a little on the abrasive side (in case you aren't already aware). Buy and enjoy what you like and let others do the same without passing your superiority complex onto them. It's not needed here, really.
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Can't argue with a mod.
 
I will be picking up the 102 the second it's available as well. I haven't been disappointed by zt yet and that is going to be one badass axe.
 
RevDevil said:
Please stop with the backhanded compliments and antagonisms. You've got a history of being a little on the abrasive side (in case you aren't already aware). Buy and enjoy what you like and let others do the same without passing your superiority complex onto them. It's not needed here, really.
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Was this in reference to me?
 
greeenie said:
Was this in reference to me?
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No, to me. I posted a thread asking what the deal was with Aldo's steel and why buyers should care about it. Some knowledgeable guys sprang up and enlightened me (which was appreciated). I guess I asked in a way that seemed abrasive, but it was a genuine question coming from a genuine place.
 
bodog said:
Because I was hoping that someone could tell me a reason why they went crazy for it, as expressed in the first post I made. I don't get it. There's nothing really special about it. I guess if the ergos are that good for you, then that means something because that's the difference between using it and not using it, but I can think of a lot lower priced knives that have good ergos. Especially when most people are going to just throw this knife in a drawer or display case.
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The craze surrounding it has a number of reasons.

1. ZT has been putting out amazing quality knives lately. Their LE have been fetching high premiums on the secondary market - But that's only because there is such a demand for them in the first place.
2. Sinkevich knives are extremely hard to come by, and with the quality that ZT is manufacturing at, they can do justice do his amazing design.
3. Very unique blade patterning with the braze welding
4. Sub framelock at custom quality (custom quality is subjective of course) - Not many makers are doing sub framelock, and the ones who are, their knives are fetching a premium and have a long waiting list - Jake Hoback, Ray Laconico ect.
5. They announced it so long ago, that people have been waiting and waiting for it to come out. That definitely drives the market up.

Hope that will shed a little light on it from my perspective.
 
Anyways back to the knife haha...
I've never found a blade at the 4"+ length that I have really really liked using before. So far this 454 is very efficient for the things I have used it for. I was using just the tip of the blade to do some fine detailed cutting and it was great. It has been very comfortable and user friendly so far.
 
egally08 said:
The craze surrounding it has a number of reasons.

1. ZT has been putting out amazing quality knives lately. Their LE have been fetching high premiums on the secondary market - But that's only because there is such a demand for them in the first place.
2. Sinkevich knives are extremely hard to come by, and with the quality that ZT is manufacturing at, they can do justice do his amazing design.
3. Very unique blade patterning with the braze welding
4. Sub framelock at custom quality (custom quality is subjective of course) - Not many makers are doing sub framelock, and the ones who are, their knives are fetching a premium and have a long waiting list - Jake Hoback, Ray Laconico ect.
5. They announced it so long ago, that people have been waiting and waiting for it to come out. That definitely drives the market up.

Hope that will shed a little light on it from my perspective.
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Fair enough statement. I do understand some of that and other points I question the value of, like a sub framelock. To me a subframelock doesn't perform any better than a liner lock or regular framelock. I can understand someone wanting the knife by a specific designer, but this knife only shares certain cues from the original designer, so that is questionable to me. Just because flippers put them on the market for a high price doesn't mean they're actually worth it. The brazing means that the blade can't be taken higher than about 59 hrc, so that means the target has to be about 58, which means that at some will be at 57 hrc. A 500 (more like 900 in the secondary) dollar knife with d2 at 57 hrc?

Thanks for posting some of your genuine thoughts about what drove up desire about the knife. The knife does look killer and I wonder of that was the driving force more than other things.
 
If not here, then where? People can't openly discuss concerns, doubts, and questions with something KAI produces? I'm being serious here. Dang man.
 
bodog said:
If not here, then where? People can't openly discuss concerns, doubts, and questions with something KAI produces? I'm being serious here. Dang man.
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No you're not. The tone with which you're posting is clear enough an indicator that not only are you full of crap, but you directed your criticism at the people in this thread who are happy with their purchases.
 
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