Zt 0777, zt 0888 & zt 0560cbcf

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JigsawCrisis said:
It seems you guys are feeling in debt to these companies, and need to pay some kind of due to them. I spent $400 (~ 13 working hours, before taxes) on a knife. If anything, there is not a single ounce of gratuity that I need to pay to KAI for getting one (as Scurvy092 felt opposite about). I leave it on this note. If the 888MAX or 888 is relased with over 250 pieces each... That is KAI spitting in the face of the knife community for a profit. Not the 2 hand market guys. The secondary market may see these knives for over the MSRP or retail cost.... but just remember KAI makes the highest percentage of profit on these blades by far.
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Hi Jigsaw -

Interesting statement. If you could please provide some factual justification for this, I would be happy to read it.

I purchased my Tilt DLC for $215 from a Kershaw retailer.

Recently, these knives have been selling on the "2 hand market" for anywhere from $650 for a user, to $1225 for a MIB example. These are easily found by searching the completed listings on ebay.

My experience with all of these LE's are that the flippers make the most money off of them.

If Kershaw was only in for the maximum profit, they would be selling the LE's for much more than what the retail prices are reflecting.

best

mqqn
 
Yeah how dare kershaw make money off of selling knives, I'm appalled :rolleyes: I mean can you imagine that?
 
SPXTrader said:
Does anyone think Kershaw / ZT resets the laser engraver when a knife is kicked out due to QC issues?

If so, you should reevaluate your thought process...
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I said this in a post awhile back. Would make absolutely NO sense for them to do this if you ask me. Total waste of valuable time. Just tack another serial on it at the end of the run and be done with it. Why these guys have to be so anal about it is beyond my comprehension? :rolleyes:
 
JigsawCrisis said:
FINAL WORD ON THE 0560CBCF, GOT THE EMAIL LAST NIGHT THROUGH MY DEALER.

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Thank you for contacting us directly in regards to the status of our 0560CBCF. Please see below for statement released by our director of sales as of yesterday.





When we opt to do boutique runs, we put out a "target number" of which we hope to produce to. It assists with our Sales Dept. when selling to our dealer base. The target number is just that, a target. Think of it as a window. We do not go out to produce to that exact target amount. Of all the boutique runs we have produced, never have we hit the target number exactly to the announced product run size. Production has a large role in how many of a specific product are actually manufactured. There can be fall out, complications, and knives can even be scrapped on more challenging projects. In these cases, the number of knives produced can fall short, and even significantly short of the intended target. The opposite is additionally true. There can be less fall out (fingers crossed), and projects come together as intended.

It's just impossible to work to exact target numbers. The reality of production is that the actual number will fall to wherever it falls. Shortages bring on frustrations from the dealers, as there wasn't enough to go around. Overages are usually embraced by the dealers, as there are more than enough to satisfy. In the case of the 0560CBCF, there was an overage of a few hundred pieces. We feel the piece is still quite limited and well within the target window. Collectors and users alike should enjoy it very much. Whichever the case, sorry if there was confusion. We certainly wish limited edition manufacturing could be more exact, but it doesn't always work that way. As to the final production total for the 0560CBCF, we are not yet finished with all the work, so there is no total available. I would estimate between 1200-1400 total when finished.





Best regards,



Linda Reed



KAI U.S.A. LTD.

Kershaw & Zero Tolerance

International Sales Coordinator

18600 SW Teton Ave., Tualatin, Or. 97062

Phone: 800-325-2891 ext. 1191

Email: lreed@kai.usa.com
www.kaiusaltd.com
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Jigsaw if you spent a little more time reading, you would see that I already answered your question previously. Please stop complaining about a simple overage - we reserve the right t change the number of knives we make at any time. This is not worth debating. Here is my response below:

JigsawCrisis said:
I have just purchased the 0560CBCF, and am extremely happy with it. Everyone in the fine knife community, has been lead to believe that this line of limited editions, is only for 1000 pieces. This line is gone well past 1000 pieces. Just walked to S&R Knives in Toronto Ontario, and got a #0819. But they had some on the shelf that went too #1398!!! I am so disappointed in Zero Tolerance. I mean, when Spyderco discontinues a knife, it is definitely, absolutely, discontinued. They say it will happen, and it dose. This shows an large amount of respect to the consumers and collectors of the knives they love and collect. However, Zero is jumping well over the line with this.... they said 1000, and are making more. Very disrespectful to the collectors, that knew there would be 1000. This leaves me to wounder, if my 0350 Orange was a true 1 of 1000 piece production... or if there were more. I am a big supporter of Spyderco and Benchmade because of their dedication to the people who but the knives (especially limited and sprint runs). Buying a 0560CBCF and seeing the addition of "extra" pieces to a limited production run that I spent $400 on, has made me second guess my beliefs in ZT. Great products.. but I hate to see morals and greed take a company. Could you Imagen Spyderco announced a sprint run, sold all the pieces, and then 6 months later re-launched the sprint run. Whats the difference here?
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JigsawCrisis said:
Ill be honest. I'm bored studying calculus, and am just looking for an argument
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Jigsaw, I sounds like you got your answer, but this is my official word on this manner. Whenever we make a run of ANY knife, there is some fallout. A few parts are defective, a laser etched logo is crooked, a sharpener slips, an assembler scratches a coated blade. There is always a percentage that are blemished and therefore "fall out" of the run. Because Of this, when we plan on making 1000 knives, we generally make enough parts for around 1200-1500 depending on the complexity of the build (these numbers are not gospel, just estimates). I don't currently have an exact count of how many we produced of this particular knife, but it is most likely under 1000 pieces. It could be that we got lucky and more than 1000 pieces passed inspection. In my opinion, if we made a few extra, great! A few more customers got their hands on a hotly anticipated knife. They'll still be limited and collectible either way. I don't foresee too many people sending their 0560CBCF back because we made a few extra.

On a more serious note, don't come into this forum again and purposely try to start an argument. You may think it's funny, but I don't. We have enough arguments between passionate collectors that occur naturally and I really don't need anyone stirring up trouble artificially. If you've got a problem with is feel free to email or PM me, but otherwise I consider this conversation finished.

Thanks,

Jim
 
I ponder how many of the folks who are concerned about what number is on the blade actually intend to use the knife for it's designed purpose? Please answer this question... How does the S110v on this knife compare or stack up against the Elmax on the Standard production 0560 in a real world side by side test?Has anyone tested Zt's S110v run at this hardness and compared it to the standard 0560 yet?Thank you for your time....
Salmonkiller
 
salmonkiller said:
I ponder how many of the folks who are concerned about what number is on the blade actually intend to use the knife for it's designed purpose? Please answer this question... How does the S110v on this knife compare or stack up against the Elmax on the Standard production 0560 in a real world side by side test?Has anyone tested Zt's S110v run at this hardness and compared it to the standard 0560 yet?Thank you for your time....
Salmonkiller
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I'd test it, but I don't have an elmax version.
 
salmonkiller said:
I ponder how many of the folks who are concerned about what number is on the blade actually intend to use the knife for it's designed purpose? Please answer this question... How does the S110v on this knife compare or stack up against the Elmax on the Standard production 0560 in a real world side by side test?Has anyone tested Zt's S110v run at this hardness and compared it to the standard 0560 yet?Thank you for your time....
Salmonkiller
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That's a great question. I just got an 0560CBCF on the secondary market. The knife is a work of manufacturing art. Just amazing. But if the S110V edge steel is just 59Rc, then I worry that most of the potential of this steel was lost in the heat treat. Still a great knife. I'm going to use mine, but it came sharp at pretty close to 19 degrees per side, perfect tip and a bit over 0.030 behind the edge. No need to reprofile yet, so it will take some time to see how it compares to Elmax.
 
mossad04 said:
I just want to say that I absolutely love the 0560CBCF! Thanks again KAI for making such an awesome product!!!
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THIS!!!!!

I just got into my old hobby about a year and a half ago and they have now become my favorite knives by far with alot of great products on the horizon. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!!


Now if only i can get a ZT0777. Looking everywhere for one under $1k...grrrr
 
presz said:
Everyone should read this. http://zt.kaiusaltd.com/blog/inside-a-zt-limited-run
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i ressurected this, so people would read the above link - i really think this makes a good point in buying clean used knives that have high value. I own a lot since i like too trade, so i have box of traders, some are $400 or more.

I figure if the shtf, i just trade knives! You don't got too reload them - right?

Mans oldest tool, after the stone and club!

You can tie too stick!

You can clean your game.

what could be more valuable then a good knife. as long as you have water, food and shelter then a knife. Unless is cold then shelther, food and water then a knife!


i have more less always used this idea (expressed by KAI), that any queen has too be useable. I have many knives i use - 13" de leon subhilt that most people would queen. while my 0560cbcf is still a prize in the box if the shtf, the custom 0550 edc will have too go too the pack and cbcf on my side!

of the hundred collectible knives, only a few are worth more then $500. RIP ruffin johnson your 7" fighter is mint perfect in the bank safe box, not my safe - my king of queens! It take more then grand to get my king from me.

That is line. Is your life worth $400? I be happy to have one of 1500 in case the shtf. Wait i do!


- i own a lot of knives, worth a lot of money but each must be useable or get rid of them. i own only 2 of the same kind, different color differnt size custom subhilt.

safe queen should be in the safe for when your not safe!

how many knives do you need - i told my son 12 and then double that 24 for each person so that is about 100. which is what i got! i can carry 6, boot, side fixed, side pocket clip, side cutter loose, chest, back, pack, chopper.... make that 9 knives then again i do have 60lb bug out pack. That is 20%-25% factor for me.

As far as making friend sigbob - i like too help people. Why give the guy a hard time, he has his point i see it.

Remember mr jigsawchriss, i respect your ideas, i understand your points, but the knife does not say, 1 of 1000, it just says its place in line. You can always feebay it!
 
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