ZT 200 Or ....

Razor said:
The company has said that they have never had one sent back because it has been broke. These are hard to find. Anyone good any other suggestions for another knife built this strong? I wish ZT would do another run of these.
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If you missed ZT 0200 and just want to try one out, by all means. However, if you are looking for a truly exceptional, solid lockup, and reliable flipping action folder, there are better (and later) choices of other ZTs than 0200. The flipping action of 0200 as reported by many is not very good. Some 0200s' lock fails due to spine whacking. The knife itself is heavier than most ZTs.

With that being said, I regret selling my LNIB 0200 cheap ($110 IIRC).
 
I believe I saw on a video the lock strength of the recon 1 to be around 800lbs, the adamas was about the same
 
DocJD said:
"Hard use " emergency survival tasks beyond what would normally be proper knife use . Or some people just want a folder to use like a fixed blade . Is that somehow wrong ? :confused:
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What hard use? I'm asking for specific uses... The fact I'm getting the run around is odd :confused:

What survival uses? Lost in the woods? Plane crash? Lol Stuck in a building that's on fire??? I'm a fan of tough knives and have been enjoying them before you showed up, but I'm not delusional.

If you care to answer the questions that'd be great.
 
shinyedges said:
What hard use? I'm asking for specific uses... The fact I'm getting the run around is odd :confused:

What survival uses? Lost in the woods? Plane crash? Lol Stuck in a building that's on fire??? I'm a fan of tough knives and have been enjoying them before you showed up, but I'm not delusional.

If you care to answer the questions that'd be great.
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Use a little imagination ? Prying , screwing , scrapping , batoning , digging , etc . I'm not advocating any of this , but there is a market for this type use . You don't have to like it or agree . :rolleyes:
 
shinyedges said:
What hard use? I'm asking for specific uses... The fact I'm getting the run around is odd :confused:

What survival uses? Lost in the woods? Plane crash? Lol Stuck in a building that's on fire??? I'm a fan of tough knives and have been enjoying them before you showed up, but I'm not delusional.

If you care to answer the questions that'd be great.
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No one is giving you "the run-around", nor was it obvious you asked for specifics when you asked what they didn't stand up to. It seemed to me like you asked which knives they didn't stand up to. Obviously nobody inferred anything like what you brought up about how you feel about your knives, so why be rude about it?

My impression of my XM-18 fatty and all the ZTs I've owned has been that they're great, but not built as ruggedly as something like an SR1. By that, I'm referring to the blade thickness and grind (which are stout to the point of being like sharpened prybars), handle design (which is roomy, wide, and extremely grippy), and lock design (a lock that tolerates abusive tasks like chopping and light batonning much well, doesn't have a propensity to slip when the engagement surface angles aren't perfect, and isn't easily disengaged). Feel free to disagree, which I'm sure you will.
 
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nick_30 said:
I believe I saw on a video the lock strength of the recon 1 to be around 800lbs, the adamas was about the same
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Lock strength as they test it is usually measured in pound*inches or something equivalent (sorry to nitpick), but I wouldn't be surprised if they're similar.
 
DocJD said:
Use a little imagination ? Prying , screwing , scrapping , batoning , digging , etc . I'm not advocating any of this , but there is a market for this type use . You don't have to like it or agree . :rolleyes:
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Ah, ok. Yeah those uses that folders do. Thanks for letting me know about the market by the way, it's crazy it eluded me even though I've had just about every major "hard use" knife lol

You aren't educating anyone, you listed a variety of tasks would destroy any folder including cold steels of which I've likely owned more than you.

I appreciate the laugh by the way.
 
marrenmiller said:
No one is giving you "the run-around", nor was it obvious you asked for specifics when you asked what they didn't stand up to. It seemed to me like you asked which knives they didn't stand up to. Obviously nobody inferred anything like what you brought up about how you feel about your knives, so why be rude about it?

My impression of my XM-18 fatty and all the ZTs I've owned has been that they're great, but not built as ruggedly as something like an SR1. By that, I'm referring to the blade thickness and grind (which are stout to the point of being like sharpened prybars), handle design (which is roomy, wide, and extremely grippy), and lock design (a lock that tolerates abusive tasks like chopping and light batonning much well, doesn't have a propensity to slip when the engagement surface angles aren't perfect, and isn't easily disengaged). Feel free to disagree, which I'm sure you will.
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Do you use your knives for those tasks? What do you pry and chop with a folder?

If you can't already figure it out, those questions get to the heart of the glaring elephant in the room. Folders will break and be destroyed under real hard use, thinking because your knife chopped a pig carcass it's better is a joke.

You know why cold steel doesn't do lateral testing videos? They snap like a twig like 99% of other folders. When would you need to dig with a folder?? They suck as a shovel...


Nothing said so far is realistic or done regularly by the cold steel fanatics. For what it's worth I love a stout fixed blade and folder. No doubt, I've had MANY. I still have many actually.

I buy them because I like them, not because of a survival fantasy.
 
shinyedges said:
Ah, ok. Yeah those uses that folders do. Thanks for letting me know about the market by the way, it's crazy it eluded me even though I've had just about every major "hard use" knife lol

You aren't educating anyone, you listed a variety of tasks would destroy any folder including cold steels of which I've likely owned more than you.

I appreciate the laugh by the way.
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Apparently you have never viewed a "hard use " test ? You seem to have some weird axe to grind , but not my problem . :rolleyes:
 
DocJD said:
Apparently you have never viewed a "hard use " test ? You seem to have some weird axe to grind , but not my problem . :rolleyes:
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I've seen almost every single noss test, vinninull test, and I've broken many a folder doing my own "testing" (read idiotic stuff). Those tests have their place but if you didn't notice, they destroy/shorten the life span of almost every knife that is subjected to them.

Why? Because it's unrealistic and knives suck at those tasks. If the real reason you want a super duper hard use knife is as a security blanket... fine. Perfectly fine reason. The mumbo jumbo isn't fooling those of us who have been around. The eye roll emoji is great, keep using it. It really let's everyone know you're rolling them eyes hard when you use it every post... :cool:
 
shinyedges said:
I've seen almost every single noss test, vinninull test, and I've broken many a folder doing my own "testing" (read idiotic stuff). Those tests have their place but if you didn't notice, they destroy/shorten the life span of almost every knife that is subjected to them.

Why? Because it's unrealistic and knives suck at those tasks. If the real reason you want a super duper hard use knife is as a security blanket... fine. Perfectly fine reason. The mumbo jumbo isn't fooling those of us who have been around. The eye roll emoji is great, keep using it. It really let's everyone know you're rolling them eyes hard when you use it every post... :cool:
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Yep.

I love the idea of using a folder to chop, rather, say, whittle, notch or, erm cut tough or thick materials. And why use a strong folding knife to carve out a decent spade from, erm, found materials, when you could instead just use the folder as a particularly shit spade! I’m learning, oh boy. :D
 
Pilsner said:
Yep.

I love the idea of using a folder to chop, rather, say, whittle, notch or, erm cut tough or thick materials. And why use a strong folding knife to carve out a decent spade from, erm, found materials, when you could instead just use the folder as a particularly shit spade! I’m learning, oh boy. :D
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Those tasks cause premature wear and ultimately are performed poorly by folders. If, in a "survival" situation your life depends on you digging, chopping, screwing with a folder... Lol
 
shinyedges said:
Those tasks cause premature wear and ultimately are performed poorly by folders. If, in a "survival" situation your life depends on you digging, chopping, screwing with a folder... Lol
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Truth. It does make me wonder what these survival situations entail in some people’s minds? Gotta chop through this concrete, then unscrew this gadget, then dig a latrine, then... Oh no, it’s dark, I’m tired, getting really cold, and my knife is kind of busted. HELP!
 
Pilsner said:
Truth. It does make me wonder what these survival situations entail in some people’s minds? Gotta chop through this concrete, then unscrew this gadget, then dig a latrine, then... Oh no, it’s dark, I’m tired, getting really cold, and my knife is kind of busted. HELP!
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LOL exactly! Use a folder truly hard and it's damn near a one time use item depending on what it's used for. Great idea, bust up your folder and rely on a broken tool o_O.

These "hard use" tests show specific things that have damn near zero importance in real life. When on Earth would a folder be wedged perfectly up and down and have to hold 800lbs?!? Turn that folder slightly in either direction and watch it snap with average human strength... Marketing sucks people in.
 
DocJD said:
Apparently you have never viewed a "hard use " test ? You seem to have some weird axe to grind , but not my problem . :rolleyes:
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The problem is, too many folks "view" hard use tests and think that is what they require in a folding knife. That stuff is pure marketing.

If you are truly concerned about all the things you describe, a folding knife will not be the tool you carry.

On topic, I've had a couple 200s. The flipping action was not great. Still a very good knife. I think the 909 is a good replacement. I've got one and it is awesome.
 
My 909 has been sold as a rock. I had washboard sharpen it and you had better be real careful with it. Dam sharp. The steel on mine seems fine. I also like the cold steel knives. I would like to try a 4 Max but don't have the cash at this time. I may go with a SR1. I know where a new ZT200 is for sale but it is not to cheap. I may try to get it anyway.
 
I have been reading Richard Marcinko's books and he talks about using his Emerson to pry things open and pretty much giving it hell. I was just never to much of a Emerson man.
 
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