ZT 200 Or ....

The two that are near me today :


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For what it's worth, I've had a silly amount of coldsteels. From the ultralock (pre triad) recon 1 I bought in the px that I carried deployed to the 4max and many in between.

The cold steel preaching makes me laugh, sure the triad lock is stout, but the amount of people who gobble up the marketing is astounding. Yet none of them survive in the "bush" lol

Here's my old 4 max right after I attached a pocket opener, I used the knife and modded it even further... I wish I had a time lapse video of all the cold steels I've owned and used. I've had the triad lock fail to lock up before, but I didn't condem every coldsteel.


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I've been using and buying tough knives for years so it's not like I'm advocating to buy an opinel and Leatherman squirt.
 
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shinyedges said:
lol.... Amazing insight and opinions. So unique no one has ever read them here before.

The "bush" and other fantasies people come up with make me chuckle. Good luck in the "bush" with a folder and nothing else. How that happens I'll never understand.

When you grow out of the fantasy stage and realize that reality is you won't be surviving in the "bush" with your cold steel you'll see how silly the perfectly up and down weight hang is. Till then, enjoy your imagination; it's entertaining for the rest of us :thumbsup:
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Pretty obvious you intentionally miss any point a person makes to support your own opinions. Fact is fact mate, all folders can fail, but only Cold Steels will fail anywhere but the lock. Prove us wrong if you like, make a video of you making the Triad lock fail, i'd love to see it. No folder is ideal for the bush or rough tasks, but if you had to use one, we all know which one would hold up the longest while staying safe. Facts are facts. And please...don't make me laugh, i could not be further from the type of person who entertains stupid fantasy scenarios where you have to use your knife to pry off your car door and save the day. So you keep posting what you're posting, cos that sure as hell is entertaining for me.

And also, these failures you can have with frame locks don't even need to be from abuse, i've had ZT's i've owned unlock during very light twisting and scraping motions when whittling wood, your hand can easily put pressure against that spring tension and unlock it, i'm not the first to say it. Does it make it a bad knife? no, just proves it's not the most ideal when there might be random and unexpected directional pressure on the knife handle.
 
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Mick_1KRR said:
Pretty obvious you intentionally miss any point a person makes to support your own opinions. Fact is fact mate, all folders can fail, but only Cold Steels will fail anywhere but the lock. Prove us wrong if you like, make a video of you making the Triad lock fail, i'd love to see it. No folder is ideal for the bush or rough tasks, but if you had to use one, we all know which one would hold up the longest while staying safe. Facts are facts. And please...don't make me laugh, i could not be further from the type of person who entertains stupid fantasy scenarios where you have to use your knife to pry off your car door and save the day. So you keep posting what you're posting, cos that sure as hell is entertaining for me.
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What "facts" are you asserting? That the triad lock is impervious to failure? Nothing is impervious to failure, THAT is a fact.

So what knife tasks do the triad lock "proof" videos show they perform better than other knives?


I call horse manure on ZTs failing to shave wood. https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/zt-0452-making-kindling.1593900/

That was oak.
 
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Mick_1KRR said:
Pretty obvious you intentionally miss any point a person makes to support your own opinions. Fact is fact mate, all folders can fail, but only Cold Steels will fail anywhere but the lock. Prove us wrong if you like, make a video of you making the Triad lock fail, i'd love to see it. No folder is ideal for the bush or rough tasks, but if you had to use one, we all know which one would hold up the longest while staying safe. Facts are facts. And please...don't make me laugh, i could not be further from the type of person who entertains stupid fantasy scenarios where you have to use your knife to pry off your car door and save the day. So you keep posting what you're posting, cos that sure as hell is entertaining for me.

And also, these failures you can have with frame locks don't even need to be from abuse, i've had ZT's i've owned unlock during very light twisting and scraping motions when whittling wood, your hand can easily put pressure against that spring tension and unlock it, i'm not the first to say it. Does it make it a bad knife? no, just proves it's not the most ideal when there might be random and unexpected directional pressure on the knife handle.
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How about breaking up these long wall of texts into something more readable.

The overwhelmingly obvious point that seems to elude you is cold folders with the triad lock suck at non knife tasks. They get damaged and break.

The triad lock claim to fame of being so strong is completely moot because if you use the knife hard it fails. So the blade breaks off and then what? You use the triad lock to be a paper weight?

When done within reason almost any folder can do the same exact tasks as a cold steel. Period.
 
ZTs fail during shaving wood. This guy has to be joking.
 
craytab said:
Mine haven't. Some people have bad luck (getting a lemon) and or bad technique.
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Mine haven't either, lemons slip through every manufacturer. Unsupported framelocks fail spine whacks easily, while being gripped I've never had one fail.

I've only had and used:

0620cf x2
0630 x2
0620
0920
0452cf x3
0452 TI x2
0560
0095
0804cf

I'm sure I'm forgetting some.
 
Unsupported framelocks don't all fail spine whacks. Here a Strider, ZT framelock pass along with a Cold Steel back lock.
 
shinyedges said:
Mine haven't either, lemons slip through every manufacturer. Unsupported framelocks fail spine whacks easily, while being gripped I've never had one fail.

I've only had and used:

0620cf x2
0630 x2
0620
0920
0452cf x3
0452 TI x2
0560
0095
0804cf

I'm sure I'm forgetting some.
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jill jackson said:
Unsupported framelocks don't all fail spine whacks. Here a Strider, ZT framelock pass along with a Cold Steel back lock.
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Seems like this is coming up every week so I might as well repeat my experience. Not one of my zts fails a spine whack. In fact, not one of my knives fails. Of course, if I was worried about a knife failing such a test I would use a fixed blade, which I do because I carry one daily.

If you are truly concerned about fixed blade like strength, the triad lock is not going to satisfy a reasonable mind. You will carry a fixed blade.
 
If I'm going to use a knife extra hard I always reach for a fixed blade. I've found you can loosen folders up on the lockup no matter what brand they are chopping and doing hard tasks.
 
craytab said:
Seems like this is coming up every week so I might as well repeat my experience. Not one of my zts fails a spine whack. In fact, not one of knives period fails. Of course, if I was worried about a knife failing such a test I would use a fixed blade, which I do because I carry one daily.

If you are truly concerned about fixed blade like strength, the triad lock is not going to satisfy a reasonable mind. You will carry a fixed blade.
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I'm in complete agreement. Honestly I think the fantasy justifications for the triad lock is silly. It needs no more justification than "I want it because I like it". It gets even more silly when people think because the knife has a triad lock it will be a better knife. I disagree.

A lock on a folder is only useful for holding the blade open during reasonable use. Most locks meet that expectation. Anything beyond that, it loses usefulness because every other aspect of the folder is a weak link that leads to damage and failure.

If in doubt if a task will damage your knife then it is the wrong tool for the job. Realistically, those super duper tasks are a unicorn. If they occurred with any regularity, I guarantee a smart man would be carrying the right tool.
 
craytab said:
Seems like this is coming up every week so I might as well repeat my experience. Not one of my zts fails a spine whack. In fact, not one of my knives fails. Of course, if I was worried about a knife failing such a test I would use a fixed blade, which I do because I carry one daily.

If you are truly concerned about fixed blade like strength, the triad lock is not going to satisfy a reasonable mind. You will carry a fixed blade.
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Get outta here with that common sense stuff. ;)

You mentioned ‘bad technique’ being a potential factor, and if somebody genuinely thinks that a knife with a triad lock is somehow better for surviving in the outdoors than any decent locking knife then I’d possibly suggest ‘no technique’ or just plain ignorance/inexperience.

If somebody, anybody, can come up with even anecdotal evidence of skilled outdoorsmen/women having their safety compromised because, shucks, their folder wasn’t made by Cold Steel, I would just love to hear it.

Most people with decent training could get by with a slip joint and a good head on their shoulders. Anybody with any sense at all would have a fixed blade, but give me a ZT or any decent frame lock, liner lock or back lock and I’d be quite happy. You can use a folder to actually make stuff out of other stuff. Amazing! :)
 
Pilsner said:
Get outta here with that common sense stuff. ;)

You mentioned ‘bad technique’ being a potential factor, and if somebody genuinely thinks that a knife with a triad lock is somehow better for surviving in the outdoors than any decent locking knife then I’d possibly suggest ‘no technique’ or just plain ignorance/inexperience.

If somebody, anybody, can come up with even anecdotal evidence of skilled outdoorsmen/women having their safety compromised because, shucks, their folder wasn’t made by Cold Steel, I would just love to hear it.

Most people with decent training could get by with a slip joint and a good head on their shoulders. Anybody with any sense at all would have a fixed blade, but give me a ZT or any decent frame lock, liner lock or back lock and I’d be quite happy. You can use a folder to actually make stuff out of other stuff. Amazing! :)
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Maybe a triad lock makes up for the lack of sense or knowledge that led to the survival situation! Or... Not lol
 
shinyedges said:
Maybe a triad lock makes up for the lack of sense or knowledge that led to the survival situation! Or... Not lol
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Quite!

One comment I have on the ZT 200 is that it is made from 154CM. This has its ups and downs in the field. Easy to resharpen but you’d want a pocket stone or equivalent with you for prolonged outings. The Adamas, on the other hand, is made from D2, which will hold its edge for far longer and is possible to get screaming sharp with the right abrasives. Personal choice, but I do like D2!
 
shinyedges said:
ZTs fail during shaving wood. This guy has to be joking.
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You have selective reading skills, i clearly, in plain writing said the words "twisting" and "scraping" but hey, i guess that's hard to understand so you interpret it as just a knife doing straight shaving cuts into wood - which any slip joint can manage without issue. And whats next? user error? i can assure you it's not the case, i've been handling these things for close to 20 years. why is it user error to put any twisting or torquing pressure on a folder that brands it's self as a "tank" on every part of it's box that will allow text. You don't always only need to do a straight cut in a standard grip.

Why would someone abuse a knife until it breaks? i'm not in that camp. I simply understand that the mechanics of a back lock with a large internal pin between the rocker bar and the tang is more mechanically sound if you ever needed to put twisting or torquing motions on a knife handle, because it actually does happen when you are cutting material that can catch or where curving and twisting is needed throughout the cut.

I enjoy frame and liner locks, hell, my most carried knives are a Spydie Military, CRK Inkosi and either the Recon 1 when renovating houses or something just as secure. You seem out to make the world believe that the tri-ad lock is overkill and pointless. I feel it has it's place seeing as it's nice having the piece of mind that the lock cant slip, hardly ever wears and even if it does will never affect safety, doesnt rely on your grip strength to be secure, doesnt rely on manufacturers getting the lock geometry precise to the exact degree so it can't slip...i can go on. It's personal preference, just like any feature of any knife in this hobby.

Many of these features aren't necessary to enjoy knives, but they aren't moot or useless. You can say that about almost any feature - tolerances, perfect symmetry on grinds, centring etc. Anyways, lets leave it there, we have different opinions and everyone is entitled to one. Cheers
 
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