ZT0560 vs CRK Umnumzaan?

If you have never been in a Sd defense situation it's not fun your adrenaline is going your shaking heart is racing, if you choose a knife for SD get training don't just buy a knife and stick it in your pocket and assume youll be able to use it if someone attacks you or your family. Like I said for the 3rd time now and not trying to repeat myself, but look at fighting knives, how many have you seen with Ti handles, you want a grippy handle that is not gonna come out of your hand if you are sweating, or one if you haft to stab your hand could end up on the blade, the flipper on the zt0560, would be effective in keeping your hand off that blade, if you had to stab someone. All this being said, pick a knife, then get some training.
 
Allen R. makes a good point, the 056X knives have just brutal amounts of traction. The zaan isn't slippery, but can't compare to the 056X in that department.

And on a different note, I think ELMAX beats out S35VN as far as EDC goes. Heck, it wins in every category in my experience. The zaan will, however, have a much more comfortable handle for EDC usage IMO.
 
you can out the pocket open an umnumzaan btw just saying its how i open mine. I just pull the lanyard, the orings make it a soft catch so it doesnt ruin my pants like the wave. Its faster and has a stronger piercing ability. So it is quicker despite what people are saying
 
Seems like this is now a Chevy vs Dodge discussion- I'll spend the day thinking on it and probably order the 0560 tonight, definitely seems like a nice knife.
 
SnowCrash said:
As I have said previously, Elmax is less prone to snapping and breaking. If you for some reason hit something hard with your knife, or it goes in a wall or the ground for whatever reason, it has less of a chance of snapping in half than do harder steels.

Both steels will feel the same when getting stabbed, I'm sure.
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And if you hit a bone, leaving 2 inches of knife inside some dude's chest cavity, and he keeps coming...then maybe a knife really wan't the best choice against the assailant. Just saying.

Steel really don't matter much in a SD context.

I'd ask whoever gave you your knife based SD training which blade he or she feels is most appropriate to your style.
 
marcinek said:
And if you hit a bone, leaving 2 inches of knife inside some dude's chest cavity, and he keeps coming...then maybe a knife really wan't the best choice against the assailant. Just saying.

Steel really don't matter much in a SD context.

I'd ask whoever gave you your knife based SD training which blade he or she feels is most appropriate to your style.
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he is probably thinking thickness. Both knives are thick enough to do well. The zaan has a swedge wich gives it alt use (i use it to cut tape) as well as increase penetrating power
 
monger4142 said:
get the knife you like better for edc.

if you want something for SD get a gun...
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sounds like the best advise.......

"Seems like this is now a Chevy vs Dodge discussion" -- more like Cadillac vs. Dodge j/k.....I love ZT's and own a couple.
LL
 
I have both and prefer the Umnumzaan overall. As for the 0560 being faster to deploy, not in my experience with it's deep carry pocket clip.
 
The type of steel is irrelevant. You aren't fighting terminators on a daily basis...are you?
The 560 is much easier and quicker to deploy, and would also make a much better SD weapon because of the flipper acting as a guard, which also keeps your hand from slipping toward the blade.
NTM- the G-10 scale, machining/jimping, and overall ergonomics make the 0560 a much better SD candidate.
That being said... Is self defense your main concern? Because there are knives made specifically for that purpose. If you are just looking for pocket jewelry that could save your life if necessary, go with a CRK Umnum or Spyd GB.
 
I have four ZT's... a 0561, two 0551's, and my first ZT, a 0301. If you have to use a knife for SD, my choice would be the 0301 - it's a moose. Of course, I carry something louder - and if I can't carry that, I'll tote pepper spray. A knife fight is too close and personal - and if both folks have knives, both will be bloody. If one has a knife, and the other is unarmed, the knife wielder is about to commit at least assault with intent - if not murder. I'd rather be like Indiana Jones - and be the one who brings a gun to a knife fight. I carry a .38 when I mow the grass - buy groceries - go to church. Of course, I'm also retired - and slower than I once was.

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Now, you want a great EDC knife? Get a ZT-0551/550. Like flippers? Get the 0560/0561. Like really well made knives? Get a CRK - my Wilson Combat/CRK 'StarTac' Umnumzaan is a keeper. I carry my knives clipless - in my pockets. My two CRK's, the 'zaan and an S35VN small plain Sebbie, ride in a sheath in my pockets - and you bet they get used, too.

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I really like the 0551 - great fit/feel - great size. I carry it a lot. The 'zaan is just a magnificent example of a knife. The small Sebbie is nearly as nice... tough decision which one I like the best... but the ElMax really keeps it's edge well.

Stainz
 
I have a 0560 and have owned an Umnum and, IMHO, the Zaan cannot beat the 0560 in a fast draw. Even with the deep pocket clip carry, as I pull my ZT out, my forefinger is already on the flipper and the blade is open and locked as soon as it clears my pocket. Between the two, the 0560 would be my choice, although I'm not going to take anything away from the Umnum....it is a very fine knife as well.

Although, even with practice, accessing any knife can be difficult in a SD scenario.
 
Has no one in here even tried OTP draw? When My umnumzaan is clipped, I just grab coil lanyard (I removed lanyard bar to use 550 coil lanyard) and i can pull it with it instantly opening. Try to pick out a deep clip knife by the time i just pull my lanyard. The ability to pull the lanyard at the last second to have it out and open in one swing is amazing. That paired with the soft oring my pants are never troubled. I have had a 560 in my hands(a friends) I had to reach in and pull it out then flip. flipper makes it easier to open when you already have it out granted. but when you have it clipped, fastest out is umnumzaan
 
Chipped Karambit said:
Has no one in here even tried OTP draw? When My umnumzaan is clipped, I just grab coil lanyard (I removed lanyard bar to use 550 coil lanyard) and i can pull it with it instantly opening. Try to pick out a deep clip knife by the time i just pull my lanyard. The ability to pull the lanyard at the last second to have it out and open in one swing is amazing. That paired with the soft oring my pants are never troubled. I have had a 560 in my hands(a friends) I had to reach in and pull it out then flip. flipper makes it easier to open when you already have it out granted. but when you have it clipped, fastest out is umnumzaan
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Different strokes for different folks. ;)

Just to add, in my case, I don't draw my 0560 and then flip it open....as the ZT is being drawn, my finger is already engaging the flipper and as soon as the knife clears the pocket, it's open, locked and ready.....and I don't need to readjust my grip on the handle.
 
From a SD perspective, I think I would rather have the 0560. Any steel can cut you if it is sharp enough. The ZT is the cheaper of the two and will do the job.
 
Chipped Karambit said:
Has no one in here even tried OTP draw? When My umnumzaan is clipped, I just grab coil lanyard (I removed lanyard bar to use 550 coil lanyard) and i can pull it with it instantly opening. Try to pick out a deep clip knife by the time i just pull my lanyard. The ability to pull the lanyard at the last second to have it out and open in one swing is amazing. That paired with the soft oring my pants are never troubled. I have had a 560 in my hands(a friends) I had to reach in and pull it out then flip. flipper makes it easier to open when you already have it out granted. but when you have it clipped, fastest out is umnumzaan
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I can't make it happen.
 
travclem said:
I can't make it happen.
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I am notorious for OTPing knives (used to OTP the nakamura) Mount it near the edge of your pocket(side closest to your back) just drive it into the V at the edge of your pocket. not the lip but the deep V. Do it with conviction and pop you have it out reared back for a stab. Once the Oring catches, it makes a nice silenced pop all you hear is the lock engage and you can get a nice stab in (which is great with the umnumzaans shape)
 
the only difference i can take is one is a better value than the other...both are great knives.
 
IMO the Umnumzaan has two practical advantages over the 0560.
1. The ceramic ball won't wear in as quickly as the titanium lockbar.
2. The name is really fun to say.

The 0560 does everything else better.
 
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