$0.75 Start to finish bushcraft knife in less time then it takes to get a pizza.

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BBBC: You are going to 'survive' well. You have a good attitude toward learning.

My initial reaction after watching was and still is: is there actually a need for this level of workmanship and quality? In here? You must not know us very well.

You see, in THIS forum, we are consistently advocating the justified higher cost of a handmade (custom) knife, vs. quality production knives. Many of which are incredible.

I (we?) have been waving the flag over build quality, ergonomics, steel compositions, heat treatment, better engineering, and correct handle applications. We are assuming the 'common man' (your term) would prefer to be educated and enlightened.

My dismay was when you came in advocating for such an apparent tossaway to what this ^^ means. I don't want the 'common man' to settle for this. I want the common man to learn the distinctions of what it takes to hold, use, and appreciate quality cutlery.

However, you are displaying a sensible curiosity aboout the advice you've been given. And, this said, in a pinch creating YOUR bush knife, no heat treat or not, would make do. I see what you are trying to do.

This is a quality community. I photograph thousands of 'pretty knives'. The hackneyed "Knives are tools meant to be used!" disdain remark comes up ever six months or so, and we start all over with the explanations. Don't go there, please.

I stand up for quality, and I applaud resourcefullness as well. They can be one and the same, but not as often.

Thanks for the post. Put a handle on that thang! ;)

Coop
 
I was actually thinking seeing if Shaw would take some cash if he would heat treat the file knife and also the knife blank I am getting from Chuck. I would like also pricing and information on how much it would cost to have heat treating done as an example to the people that will be watching any future videos I do.
 
This site has some real crap bags and some really awesome folks as well.... soak up the knowledge... its free and weighs nothing but you can carry it all your life. Good on the guys who thought to give this guy advice and pointers giving him 5160 and a heat treat is over the top.... BBBC keep on with what your doing and learn everything you can these guys know there stuff. This site reminds me there are good folks out there...
 
bigboysbushcraft said:
I was actually thinking seeing if Shaw would take some cash if he would heat treat the file knife and also the knife blank I am getting from Chuck. I would like also pricing and information on how much it would cost to have heat treating done as an example to the people that will be watching any future videos I do.
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Discussing $$$ is kind of frowned upon in this section of the forum. I do a bit of H/T for other people, send me an email and I'll go over the prices and procedures with you. I'll also give you the short list of other places to get a quality H/T and you can decide where you wanna send them.
 
Ohh sorry did not know that I am still learning the ropes it seams yeah I will send off some emails when its time to put them in for HT.
 
It's my understanding that Nicholson files are 1095. Theoretically, you should be able to pop it in the toaster oven somewhere between 375 and 450 and get a decent blade...provided it wasn't case hardened. If you keep it cool while grinding so as not to loose the temper I don't see why you couldn't have a functional knife. You could also heat the tang portion to a blue-gray color to make it easier to drill for a handle.
 
Thank you how long would I keep it in the oven for should I take it out and quench it? Yeah I gave up on the handle drilling holes at the moment but I may use that trick if you think that will work for that.
 
I have a feeling if I start making decent knives I am going to try and keep them as cheap as possible still there is no need to go to far I have a Buck 110 for carving and a Mora for a fixed blade and a Kukri for hacking things away here in Florida. If I were to actually build and sell knives I would probably make them the same shape as the file knife just use different metal and bring the knife angle down sharper and put a hardwood handle or something on it. I like the simple knives that is just my personal preference.
 
Urgh. It's way too late for me to be typing and I should go to bed.

I see both sides, but attitude is the most important deciding factor in most things. And the snarky attitude about the high end knives being art only is grating. There are some of the top makers in the game posting their work here, after investing years, money, sweat, blood, and tears of frustration to get to that point. And the rest of us are posting our own work that we have put our own labor, time, and money into making as quality a blade as we can, or are owners posting knives they have bought with hard-earned cash, and often have put to work.

So the sharpened file and the implications that it has more value in the woods than something that a maker has poured their heart into is kind of aggravating. Believe me, nowhere near everything in this forum, or subforum for that matter, is a high-end art knife, but most of them are beautiful, well-built tools.

A "common man" with a real job can probably afford a decent $100 production knife a whole lot more easily than I can. Or save a bit and spring for something that is custom built to not only look better and feel better in the hand, but perform better at the tasks a knife faces in its tool role.

And a "common man" with technical questions about how to work in this craft has a whole subforum to gain knowledge from: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/806-General-Knife-Maker-s-Discussion

And a good "common man" approach to tackling their first knifemaking experience is this: http://www.hossom.com/jonesy/ Heat treatment advice included.

Willingness to learn is good. Learn the ropes of the forum before making a big wave.
 
A Buck 110 is a horrible carving knife, unless you are carving up a chicken.

However, if you are looking for a GOOD wood carving knife, Flexcut knives are excellent and very affordable.

Carry on.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
If you want to make decent useable knives at a very low cost, buy Wayne Goddards book, "The $50 Knife shop. He explains in detail how to do exactly what you are trying to do, including heat treating at home. Or get a copy from a library. If you are concerned with "the common man", as you put it, then you already own your answer. A good Mora costs about $20 and will do bushcraft work all day every day for months. Since lunch at Burger King costs 8 bucks I doubt there is any one that can't afford a Mora.
 
Kohai999 said:
A Buck 110 is a horrible carving knife, unless you are carving up a chicken.

However, if you are looking for a GOOD wood carving knife, Flexcut knives are excellent and very affordable.

Carry on.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Yep, I agree. Flexcut all the way!

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bigboysbushcraft said:
I was actually thinking seeing if Shaw would take some cash if he would heat treat the file knife and also the knife blank I am getting from Chuck. I would like also pricing and information on how much it would cost to have heat treating done as an example to the people that will be watching any future videos I do.
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I'll do them for free I enjoy heat treating. I can't promise I won't re grind that file knife though (unless you really don't want me to).

You should be able to email me through here. Just pay shipping both ways.
 
Shaw Blades said:
I'll do them for free I enjoy heat treating. I can't promise I won't re grind that file knife though (unless you really don't want me to).

You should be able to email me through here. Just pay shipping both ways.
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Everyone will win once that file knife gets passed around enough to eventually become a sweet blade. :)
 
I'll be back.
I'm off to get a Nicholson file.
btw, very nice of you, Shaw Blades.
rolf
 
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