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To be fair most of the whole "tight tolerance" thing from CRK is all about aesthetics and feel. No one accused CRK of using super fantastic steel or anything. Cold Steel kind of proved that the Reeve's own framelock left a lot to be desired. I don't support cloning but I definitely don't accept sitting on a reputation without doing anything better, either.
 
bodog said:
To be fair most of the whole "tight tolerance" thing from CRK is all about aesthetics and feel. No one accused CRK of using super fantastic steel or anything. Cold Steel kind of proved that the Reeve's own framelock left a lot to be desired. I don't support cloning but I definitely don't accept sitting on a reputation without doing anything better, either.
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Only if what you desire is to smack the wrong side of the blade all silly like.
 
I agree with the premise of this thread but have to admit that the presentation of this review is off-putting. I am confident enough in the quality of a Chris Reeve knife that it would come out on top and that a comparison between a real knife by a real maker and a fake knife by a person with no scruples by a third party is fair game. And I do not say that as a fanboy blindly singing a knife maker's praises. However, I think the fact that this thread was begun by a forum member's second post is unlikely to be taken seriously no matter what the outcome.
 
CPP said:
I agree with the premise of this thread but have to admit that the presentation of this review is off-putting. I am confident enough in the quality of a Chris Reeve knife that it would come out on top and that a comparison between a real knife by a real maker and a fake knife by a person with no scruples by a third party is fair game. And I do not say that as a fanboy blindly singing a knife maker's praises. However, I think the fact that this thread was begun by a forum member's second post is unlikely to be taken seriously no matter what the outcome.
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The problem here is that the folks who do the best testing around these parts wouldn't touch this with a ten foot poll. Guy with 2 posts touting the testing of a counterfeit? Seems legit.
 
Good point.Occasionally I come across threads questions whether an expensive knife is worth its price so I thought it might be interesting to compare the real deal to a fake, but I agree that its best not to support those guilty of stealing intellectual property.
 
CPP said:
Good point.Occasionally I come across threads questions whether an expensive knife is worth its price so I thought it might be interesting to compare the real deal to a fake, but I agree that its best not to support those guilty of stealing intellectual property.
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Yes. I just said this in another thread. Being worth the price is relative. I own knives all over the cost spectrum. If I didn't feel they were worth the price I would sell them. My Utilitac II is just as much worth the price to me as the large 21 with Micarta inlays or the TGLB I own.

What isn't worth the price is supporting counterfeiting.
 
Way to support the makers of that clone...they wouldn't be in business if people like you simply passed on those fakes. How about you support a American business and buy a real one? If you don't want a real CRK or don't have the means to get one at the moment then buy something else!!!!
 
Ernie1980 said:
Way to support the makers of that clone...they wouldn't be in business if people like you simply passed on those fakes. How about you support a American business and buy a real one? If you don't want a real CRK or don't have the means to get one at the moment then buy something else!!!!
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I'd bet a nickel the makers of that clone are selling plenty of legit product and are just padding their pockets.
Further, compared to their "home'' market, we are just a drop in the bucket.
 
stbob said:
i just want to clarify the reason for two posts. My first post was my answer, not a review, to a question in a different thread asking how to tell the difference between a real and a fake. I guess i gave the wrong answer because my post was removed and placed here. I then attempted to start an actual thread review and i'm 99% sure i posted it in the proper forum but it was also move here, go figure.
As for the results of my testing, we're still working on it. But so far all the evidence we've gathered is telling us the knives are indeed the real deal, not knockoffs. It appears that the knives that are being rejected by the strict quality control Chris Reeve demands are being put out into the marketplace. Now the mystery deepens, who is behind it all...? I don't want to stir the pot more than i already have, so this will be my last post on the topic. Anyone want more info can pm me...
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Wait... what? You are implying that this is not a very well-made chinese replica of a Sebenza but an actual CRK Sebenza 'factory reject' made by CRK in the USA? 0_o That is a BOLD claim.
 
stbob said:
But so far all the evidence we've gathered is telling us the knives are indeed the real deal, not knockoffs. It appears that the knives that are being rejected by the strict quality control Chris Reeve demands are being put out into the marketplace.
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What a load of steaming horsecrap. :thumbdn:
 
I can tell anyone reading this thread that this is completely false. It is one thing to buy and review knock-offs but to say that these crap knives are factory rejects is beyond inconceivable blasphemy. CRK have never and will never put factory 2nds into population. Mic dropped........
stbob said:
i just want to clarify the reason for two posts. My first post was my answer, not a review, to a question in a different thread asking how to tell the difference between a real and a fake. I guess i gave the wrong answer because my post was removed and placed here. I then attempted to start an actual thread review and i'm 99% sure i posted it in the proper forum but it was also move here, go figure.
As for the results of my testing, we're still working on it. But so far all the evidence we've gathered is telling us the knives are indeed the real deal, not knockoffs. It appears that the knives that are being rejected by the strict quality control Chris Reeve demands are being put out into the marketplace. Now the mystery deepens, who is behind it all...? I don't want to stir the pot more than i already have, so this will be my last post on the topic. Anyone want more info can pm me...
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stbob: We? Do you represent a company or organization or is that simply the royal we?

Is this knife a factory reject because they accidentally used torque bolts instead of the Allen bolts that non-reject CRK knives come with? I guess the Allen wrench that comes with CRKs wouldn't work with that!
 
robgmn said:
Reeve suffers nothing from the clones.
Neither does Hinderer, Strider, any of the Swiss watchmakers, etc.
No one buys a fake when they WOULD have bought the real item.
They may claim the clones devalue their product, but high-end mfgrs are doing quite well, and if anything, the clones are putting the name out there even more than the big advertising budgets.

The people that can get hurt by the clones are the ones who get duped into buying a fake and paying the "real" price.
But, it's really up to the buyer to cover their own butt.
"Caveat emptor".
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It's called "crime." Reeves is assumed to have suffered actual injury and is entitled to punitive damages. The maker, marketer, and seller are entitled to free room and board and a fine. That most of these slime are out of reach of our courts does not make what they are doing right in any sense.
 
Factory second??
Don't think so.



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marcus52AR said:
I'd rather use a stone to sharpen another stone than carry cs.
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Another Cold Steel hater. Are you speaking from experience, or are you just jumping on the bandwagon? Funny, all the critique on Amazon and other sites give Cold Steel stellar reviews, and even compare them to knives 5 times the price. Funny how ya'll hate a brand you've never even owned.

Lemme guess you like your artsy-fartsy $1k+ knives with 80% of the frame hogged out so your girly thumb can operate the frame lock. Now that Cold Steel has addressed all the complaints (blade steel, blade coating), you've resorted to unsubstantiated mud slinging.

You know what, I'll bite. What's wrong with Cold Steel?
 
robgmn said:
Reeve suffers nothing from the clones.
Neither does Hinderer, Strider, any of the Swiss watchmakers, etc.
No one buys a fake when they WOULD have bought the real item.
They may claim the clones devalue their product, but high-end mfgrs are doing quite well, and if anything, the clones are putting the name out there even more than the big advertising budgets.

The people that can get hurt by the clones are the ones who get duped into buying a fake and paying the "real" price.
But, it's really up to the buyer to cover their own butt.
"Caveat emptor".
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Actually, you're incorrect. Legitimate companies have to spend money to counter counterfeits. If they do not actively protect their trademarks and their brand, that is grounds for them to lose any legal protection in terms of owning their trademark and brand. Since protecting their trademark/brand costs money to do so, that is hurting them as that money could have gone into their profit margin.
 
hermit dave said:
Another Cold Steel hater. Are you speaking from experience, or are you just jumping on the bandwagon? Funny, all the critique on Amazon and other sites give Cold Steel stellar reviews, and even compare them to knives 5 times the price. Funny how ya'll hate a brand you've never even owned.

Lemme guess you like your artsy-fartsy $1k+ knives with 80% of the frame hogged out so your girly thumb can operate the frame lock. Now that Cold Steel has addressed all the complaints (blade steel, blade coating), you've resorted to unsubstantiated mud slinging.

You know what, I'll bite. What's wrong with Cold Steel?
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I know you are excited, but simmering down would be best.
 
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