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steponmytoes said:
+1000... people are free to buy whatever crap they want and the people who buy knockoffs were never going to buy the real deal anyways.
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You're forgetting that a big problem is people selling counterfeits as the real thing for the full price.
Sometimes they don't even know they have a counterfeit...just look at how many times knives come up for sale here where the person selling is the fourth owner.

If the counterfeits all looked like crap and were easily distinguishable, it wouldn't be much of a problem (like how the fake Oakleys sold in record stores in the 90's didn't fool anyone over the age of 13).
However, the scummy bastard dickbag counterfeiters are getting annoyingly good at producing their knock-offs, and that's a bad thing for the hobby. :thumbdn:
 
The Chinese knife counterfeiters are just arrogant thieves, with no regard for international law. Why give them any monetary validation at all?
 
I'm not bashing Chris Reeve. In fact, after seeing his shop tour videos, I'm impressed with the extremely tight tolerances he holds, and all the hand fitting that goes into his knives. I'm not sure expense of holding +or- .0002" is necessary, but I'm not going to bash a knife I haven't held in my hand.

I'll even go as far as saying : The Youtube Code 4/Sebenza lock test, was not conducted fairly. The Sebenza's frame should have been wrapped in tape, to duplicate a hand gripping it. The video also didn't show a close-up of the Sebenza after the "failure". I'm guessing the lockbar cammed out.
 
stabman said:
You're forgetting that a big problem is people selling counterfeits as the real thing for the full price.
Sometimes they don't even know they have a counterfeit...just look at how many times knives come up for sale here where the person selling is the fourth owner.

If the counterfeits all looked like crap and were easily distinguishable, it wouldn't be much of a problem (like how the fake Oakleys sold in record stores in the 90's didn't fool anyone over the age of 13).
However, the scummy bastard dickbag counterfeiters are getting annoyingly good at producing their knock-offs, and that's a bad thing for the hobby. :thumbdn:
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Amen! That's what damages the reputation of manufacturers. With exception of missing countersinks, the subject knife looks pretty close to the real thing.
 
As long as you buy the replica for personal use and never ever claim that it is authentic or worse sell it as an original, no one has the right to dictate on anyone how they should spend their money.

Actually i think some of these fake knives are actually made pretty well. People just have to encourage them to adopt their own brand and i think it will be a really great product available for everyone so these fancy knife brands can stop ripping people off, they are not that special if the "fake" can easily replicate it.
 
Well?

Are they good enough for me to pick one up? Will anyone notice it's not do the real deal should I ever be carrying it?
 
ThreeDrobot said:
As long as you buy the replica for personal use and never ever claim that it is authentic or worse sell it as an original, no one has the right to dictate on anyone how they should spend their money.

Actually i think some of these fake knives are actually made pretty well. People just have to encourage them to adopt their own brand and i think it will be a really great product available for everyone so these fancy knife brands can stop ripping people off, they are not that special if the "fake" can easily replicate it.
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It's a crime to make or sell a counterfeit item. It is not a crime to unknowingly buy one.

The issue is what happens if you knowingly buy a counterfeit item.

The Justice Department says "no crime," so long as you buy it solely for your personal use and never resell it.

However, counterfeit goods meet the definition of "contraband" and are uniformly subject to seizure in transit.

Your claiming the item is authentic or disclosing that it is counterfeit is irrelevant.
 
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Thomas Linton said:
It's a crime to make or sell a counterfeit item. It is not a crime to unknowingly buy one. Congress already dictated decades ago, and it clearly had the right.

The issue is what happens if you knowingly buy a counterfeit item. (More later)
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I think you are wrong about this. I see exact copys or clones for sale every day on the net and at flea markets. If they were illegal you wouldnt see them there.
 
People whine about fancy knife brands "ripping them off" but they instead want to pretend to own one of their products by paying criminals for a fake knife? Sounds like a jealous, entitled poseur.
 
I see switchblades sold all the time when it is clearly illegal to transport them across state lines.

Scheduled drugs are sold every day in major U.S. cities.

100,000s of "straw purchasers" have been caught buying firearms for others. Very few have been prosecuted for that felony.

Between lack of means and lack of will, lots of criminal activity goes on. Depending on getting away with criminal activity is a risk. Again, see "Detroit, mayor, prison," "Operation Greylord," or (a local favorite) "Jimmy Demora Cuyahoa County prison."

But I am open to the results of your research on the legality of selling counterfeits. Always more to learn. You might start with 18. U.S.C. Sec 2320. I especially like "not more than $2,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both, and, if a person other than an individual [say a corporation], shall be fined not more than $5,000,000; and . . . for a second or subsequent offense under subsection (a), if an individual, shall be fined not more than $5,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if other than an individual, shall be fined not more than $15,000,000." But that's just me.

ED: If you change the topic to non-counterfeits, you get a different answer.
 
I dont know all the legality's and dont really care that much. People have different opinions on everything.

All I know is that I will probably never be able to afford a real Rolex but I can buy a fake one for around a hundred bucks that is the same thing, the same watch in every way except it is not made at the Rolex factory!
I saved 12,000 dollars by not buying the name.

At least the people that buy the fake brands are showing that they aspire to own the real things. That says something.
 
ThreeDrobot said:
At least the people that buy the fake brands are showing that they aspire to own the real things. That says something.
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That is like saying "robing those with money is okay because the thieves would like money".

Shameful.
 
ThreeDrobot said:
I think you are wrong about this. I see exact copys or clones for sale every day on the net and at flea markets. If they were illegal you wouldnt see them there.
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With this logic, all things that are illegal would not happen. Is that the case?
 
ThreeDrobot said:
I dont know all the legality's and dont really care that much. People have different opinions on everything.

All I know is that I will probably never be able to afford a real Rolex but I can buy a fake one for around a hundred bucks that is the same thing, the same watch in every way except it is not made at the Rolex factory!
I saved 12,000 dollars by not buying the name.

At least the people that buy the fake brands are showing that they aspire to own the real things. That says something.
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It's more like a case of: "as pobres mostrando pobreza" The poor showing off how impoverished they are.
 
ThreeDrobot said:
I dont know all the legality's and dont really care that much. People have different opinions on everything.

All I know is that I will probably never be able to afford a real Rolex but I can buy a fake one for around a hundred bucks that is the same thing, the same watch in every way except it is not made at the Rolex factory!
I saved 12,000 dollars by not buying the name.

At least the people that buy the fake brands are showing that they aspire to own the real things. That says something.
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Opinions don't dictate law, and certainly don't keep you out of trouble if you break a law that you don't care about.

As for the Rolex, you couldn't be any more wrong.
Ask a jeweler to show you a Rolex sometime. You'll see that even the best copies are no match for the real thing.
If you don't believe, Ask yourself this: Would you be willing to stake your life on it? Would you use a Chinese copy for scuba diving in place of a real Rolex, when using it to time your air supply?

Buying a clone is not "aspiring to own real", it is getting something that you find appealing for less than what you should be paying for it.

As far as the law, clones of US-trademartked products are not illegal outside of this country, and only illegal to import for sale or resale in this country.
You may see them for sale in flea markets, on Canal Street, etc. all the time, but that doesn't make it legal. It just means the person hasn't been prosecuted (perhaps ignored as the authorities go after bigger fish).
 
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