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I'm going to chime in here a bit. Yes, I have bought, owned, and used counterfeit knives in the past. I have had a couple counterfeit Spyderco knives that I would sometimes carry at work, and I still have a counterfeit Strider made by Kevin John that is probably as good as a Strider. Bold claim, especially since I have never held a Strider, but that counterfeit is perfect in every way that I can see. Great knife.

Here is the problem I have with a counterfeit CRK; I don't know what I'm going to get. To me, a Sebenza is not a marvel in engineering, it is not a very "cool" design, nor does it seem to have the highest quality materials. I buy CRK knives because I know that my inlay won't fall out. I know how the steel will hold up. I know that the knife will operate flawlessly. I know that the blade centering will be dead on. I know that the lockup will be like a bank vault. I'm sure you get the picture. Chris Reeve has built his reputation by providing consistent quality to his customers. I own a couple, one of them for years now, and I have handled many more CRK knives...all perfect. A counterfeit company will not offer that same consistency. Maybe you get one good Sebenza clone. If so, you got lucky, good for you. The next one might not be so good. It is going to be a crap shoot.

While I am curious what the results of serious testing would be on a counterfeit CRK, I won't put much stock in the results.
 
I usually don't post or comment in threads about China made knives or any knives that resemble premium knives. Such things don't really worry or offend me and I doubt they do much harm to the industry if honestly packaged and presented.

But this is very different. As others have already pointed out, this is not a copy or a clone, but a deliberate counterfeit, made and packaged to deceive.

I know it smacks of censorship but I don't believe that this forum should allow threads that promote or encourage such unlawful or deceptive practices. It doesn't really matter how this counterfeit item compares with the original - it does not deserve space here.

I think this thread should be shut down.
 
rob32 said:
I'm going to chime in here a bit. Yes, I have bought, owned, and used counterfeit knives in the past. I have had a couple counterfeit Spyderco knives that I would sometimes carry at work, and I still have a counterfeit Strider made by Kevin John that is probably as good as a Strider. Bold claim, especially since I have never held a Strider, but that counterfeit is perfect in every way that I can see. Great knife.

Here is the problem I have with a counterfeit CRK; I don't know what I'm going to get. To me, a Sebenza is not a marvel in engineering, it is not a very "cool" design, nor does it seem to have the highest quality materials. I buy CRK knives because I know that my inlay won't fall out. I know how the steel will hold up. I know that the knife will operate flawlessly. I know that the blade centering will be dead on. I know that the lockup will be like a bank vault. I'm sure you get the picture. Chris Reeve has built his reputation by providing consistent quality to his customers. I own a couple, one of them for years now, and I have handled many more CRK knives...all perfect. A counterfeit company will not offer that same consistency. Maybe you get one good Sebenza clone. If so, you got lucky, good for you. The next one might not be so good. It is going to be a crap shoot.

While I am curious what the results of serious testing would be on a counterfeit CRK, I won't put much stock in the results.
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I wouldn't mind seeing pics of the strider
 
stbob said:
i just want to clarify the reason for two posts. My first post was my answer, not a review, to a question in a different thread asking how to tell the difference between a real and a fake. I guess i gave the wrong answer because my post was removed and placed here. I then attempted to start an actual thread review and i'm 99% sure i posted it in the proper forum but it was also move here, go figure.
As for the results of my testing, we're still working on it. But so far all the evidence we've gathered is telling us the knives are indeed the real deal, not knockoffs. It appears that the knives that are being rejected by the strict quality control Chris Reeve demands are being put out into the marketplace. Now the mystery deepens, who is behind it all...? I don't want to stir the pot more than i already have, so this will be my last post on the topic. Anyone want more info can pm me...
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TROLLALARM!!! This just cannot be serious...
 
hermit dave said:
Another Cold Steel hater. Are you speaking from experience, or are you just jumping on the bandwagon? Funny, all the critique on Amazon and other sites give Cold Steel stellar reviews, and even compare them to knives 5 times the price. Funny how ya'll hate a brand you've never even owned.

Lemme guess you like your artsy-fartsy $1k+ knives with 80% of the frame hogged out so your girly thumb can operate the frame lock. Now that Cold Steel has addressed all the complaints (blade steel, blade coating), you've resorted to unsubstantiated mud slinging.

You know what, I'll bite. What's wrong with Cold Steel?
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I probably shouldn't have said it, or at least not here in this thread but yes I dislike cs as a company. Haven't personally owned one but my coworker has a older tanto model that I sharpened for him. It's not so much the products it's the company, L Thompson comes across as a bit of a turd with lawsuits against crkt, and now the whole San Mai thing. I don't pretend to know all about cs and their motives as a company, I can just tell from A distance that it's a company I wouldn't buy into.
 
stbob said:
so far all the evidence we've gathered is telling us the knives are indeed the real deal, not knockoffs. It appears that the knives that are being rejected by the strict quality control Chris Reeve demands are being put out into the marketplace. Now the mystery deepens, who is behind it all...? I don't want to stir the pot more than i already have, so this will be my last post on the topic.
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^ Promise?! Of course you won't be coming back here; you already know that you will never be able to back up & prove, such a bold, ridiculous, asinine claim. :rolleyes:

Great intro into this forum btw. :rolleyes: Troll! :thumbdn:


marcus52AR said:
Oh, here's a picture of my girly hand.
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Damn Marcus, you have beautiful, yet very masculine, hands! :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BniKoHRlMi0
 
stbob said:
As for the results of my testing, we're still working on it. But so far all the evidence we've gathered is telling us the knives are indeed the real deal, not knockoffs. It appears that the knives that are being rejected by the strict quality control Chris Reeve demands are being put out into the marketplace. Now the mystery deepens, who is behind it all...? I don't want to stir the pot more than i already have, so this will be my last post on the topic. Anyone want more info can pm me...
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To be absolutely certain, you could always go to a knife show where Chris Reeve himself is in attendance and suggest this to him in person.

Jim
 
hermit dave said:
Lemme guess you like your artsy-fartsy $1k+ knives with 80% of the frame hogged out so your girly thumb can operate the frame lock.
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Again with the girly thumbs?
Seems to be a favourite phrase of yours...

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The "wimpy knife" split the stick to cook the steaks that are cooking here while my dad cooks a sausage:

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We brought a couple of Cold Steel knives...which didn't get used at all. ;)

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But this wasn't a Cold Steel thread in the beginning anyway...
 
A good test would be to baton the knife for several hours through a really hard wood, full of knots.
 
Originally Posted by hermit dave View Post
"Should've bought a Cold Steel Code 4 in CTS-XHP..........your loss."

marcus52AR said:
I'd rather use a stone to sharpen another stone than carry cs.
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I was just responding to the usual, standard issue Cold Steel bashing that occurs so often in here. It's usually from someone who's never owned a Cold Steel knife.

The Code 4 has already proven it's lock is superior to the Sebenza's, let alone a knockoff. The hard anodized scales on the Code 4 are FAR more scratch resistant than titanium, and don't require regular "spa treatments" Just because something is more expensive to manufacture, doesn't make it better.
 
hermit dave said:
Originally Posted by hermit dave View Post
"Should've bought a Cold Steel Code 4 in CTS-XHP..........your loss."



I was just responding to the usual, standard issue Cold Steel bashing that occurs so often in here. It's usually from someone who's never owned a Cold Steel knife.

The Code 4 has already proven it's lock is superior to the Sebenza's, let alone a knockoff. The hard anodized scales on the Code 4 are FAR more scratch resistant than titanium, and don't require regular "spa treatments" Just because something is more expensive to manufacture, doesn't make it better.
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Why is it so important to you whether someone else likes or dislikes CS knives? Look at all the CRK criticism/bashing that goes on, including right here, by people who have never even owned one. It often happens that those who enjoy bashing CRK knives don't like it when their own favorite brand is put on the receiving end.

BTW, I own CRKs and CS knives, including a Code 4. My CRK Insingo is my EDC, and it works great for me. To each his/her own.

Jim
 
I presume that one who bashes CR knives should use some of them first, no?

So is this the usual, standard CS defensiveness?

I like my CS knives, despite the company CEO, but having never owned or even touched a CR, would feel disqualified to compare the two brands on the basis of hearsay, anecdotal evidence, and the passions of others.
 
hermit dave said:
The Code 4 has already proven it's lock is superior to the Sebenza's, let alone a knockoff.
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Well, they proved that if you intend to smash the spine of your blade against things the lock is better. Fortunately for most people here we use the cutting edge of the blade to cut things. I in fact cut things with my Recon 1 and my Large 21 with the cutting edge regularly. If I want to smash things with a flat surface I usually get a hammer.
 
hermit dave said:
The hard anodized scales on the Code 4 are FAR more scratch resistant than titanium, and don't require regular "spa treatments"
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Neither does a CRK knife; some people just get all squirrelly about scratches.
My Umnumzaan ain't leaving my possession just to remove scratches...it'll just get scratched again anyway. ;)
 
I think we can all agree that buying a real Code 4 is a better move than buying a counterfeit anything.

Let's get back to focusing on the important thing, scummy bastards who make counterfeits!
 
robgmn said:
Reeve suffers nothing from the clones.
Neither does Hinderer, Strider, any of the Swiss watchmakers, etc.
No one buys a fake when they WOULD have bought the real item.
They may claim the clones devalue their product, but high-end mfgrs are doing quite well, and if anything, the clones are putting the name out there even more than the big advertising budgets.

The people that can get hurt by the clones are the ones who get duped into buying a fake and paying the "real" price.
But, it's really up to the buyer to cover their own butt.
"Caveat emptor".
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+1000... people are free to buy whatever crap they want and the people who buy knockoffs were never going to buy the real deal anyways. CRK has amazing quality and qc and customer service...the price reflects that. if someone in china can match that for 1/3 the price then you have something to talk about but that day has not arrived yet.

OP, you have not stirred the pot. All you have done is posted some pics of a knock off/clone. Next time follow through with something useful like those mysterious tests that it seems like you are flaking on.
 
stabman said:
I think we can all agree that buying a real Code 4 is a better move than buying a counterfeit anything.

Let's get back to focusing on the important thing, scummy bastards who make counterfeits!
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That's the point I was trying to make.
 
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