2013 BF Traditional knife poll - steel

2013 BF Traditional knife poll - steel

  • Carbon (1095, etc.)

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  • Premium stainless (D2, 440C, etc.)

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  • Regular stainless (420HC, etc.)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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Hi,

I voted for a premium stainless. Mostly because I really don't have any premium stuff. I would like ATS43, but 440C would be great too. Though as Blaine pointed out, the accepting manufacturer will have preferred materials that can restrict choices.

Dale
 
Premium stainless this time around. I would be more than happy with a tool steel such as D2 or O1. We have had 1095 the last three years in a row. I like 1095, but it's time for a bit of variety.
 
voted premium as it will likely be something I do not have (or have ever had) in a knife.

Seems all my votes are underdogs this time around. Oh well I am still getting excited to see what develops.
 
I voted premium stainless, but would be OK with any stainless. The last few forum knives have been carbon. It's time for stainless again.
 
Not to stir the pot but the Pollster (OP) listed D2 in the premium stainless category but isn't D2 a carbon steel with a high chromium content and not a stainless steel? If that's so, the Carbon catergoty would include 1095, D2, O1 etc. thereby making the use of D2 acceptable if the Carbon category wins. I myself prefer 1095 but D2 would be ok should Carbon win.

Our moderator Frank could probably give the best answer here.
 
Modoc ED said:
Not to stir the pot but the Pollster (OP) listed D2 in the premium stainless category but isn't D2 a carbon steel with a high chromium content and not a stainless steel? If that's so, the Carbon catergoty would include 1095, D2, O1 etc. thereby making the use of D2 acceptable if the Carbon category wins. I myself prefer 1095 but D2 would be ok should Carbon win.

Our moderator Frank could probably give the best answer here.
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I'll try and answer. If Frank, or anyone else, wants to add later, that would be good too. D2 is not technically stainless steel. It's referred to by many as semi stainless. It will oxidize, but at a much slower rate then carbon steels.

We decided to include it as an example for premium stainless, rather then carbon, as it is an upgraded steel.
 
I've always thought of D2 as a tool steel.
 
Jack Black said:
I've always thought of D2 as a tool steel.
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Right you are Jack.
Here's a blurb from Bob Dozier's site, about D2.

D2 Steel
The steel Bob uses is D2, which is one of the most outstanding knife steels available today. It is a high carbon, high chrome tool steel which is often used for the steel cutting dies in tool and die shops. With 1.5% Carbon, 1% Molybdenum, 12% Chrome, and 1% Vanadium, this air hardening steel (at 60-61Rc.) takes a razor edge, and holds it!
 
This notion influenced my vote as well. D2 would be my first choice, but since it was lumped in with the "premium" steels (which would jack the price way up), I couldn't risk voting for that category.
 
We included the D2 and 440C, because they are steels that are used by some of the manufacturers that we will solicit quotes from.
 
Peregrin said:
Right you are Jack.
Here's a blurb from Bob Dozier's site, about D2.

D2 Steel
The steel Bob uses is D2, which is one of the most outstanding knife steels available today. It is a high carbon, high chrome tool steel which is often used for the steel cutting dies in tool and die shops. With 1.5% Carbon, 1% Molybdenum, 12% Chrome, and 1% Vanadium, this air hardening steel (at 60-61Rc.) takes a razor edge, and holds it!
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Thanks Gary :)

MT Damascus said:
D2 is not an expensive steel, but it is a great one.



Kris
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Ditto that :thumbup:
 
Ed did not stir the pot IMO and actually I would have voted D2 if it wasn't lumped with stainless options.
 
I would have gone with D2 if that was an option as well...but I voted for carbon because I wanted to keep the cost down and I prefer carbon to stainless steel
 
Peregrin said:
We included the D2 and 440C, because they are steels that are used by some of the manufacturers that we will solicit quotes from.
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Not trying to argue here Gary and I understand what you are saying where I quoted you but it appears that Carbon Steel is ahead in the poll. Had D2 been included in the Carbon Steel category, it could have been used if in fact Carbon Steel wins the poll. D2 may very well be close to stainless steel but I believe it is in fact carbon steel.

What I'm trying to do here is be helpful to the many that would like to see D2. As I said above; I prefer 1095 but would certainly be ok with D2 if it were used as I think it should fall in the Carbon category.

I appreciate your thoughts on this Gary but I'd still like to see Frank weigh in as he is very knowledgeable on various steels. It has nothing to do with personalities.

If D2 is a carbon steel maybe the committee can select it if carbon wins. It would be a shame to have D2 (which in my mind is carbon steel) excluded if carbon wins. Include it in the carbon category and as they have it in the stainless category and it could be used no matter which category wins and it might also make the manufactures selection easier.

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What do some of you other guys in this poll think of this?
 
D2 is an alloyed tool steel, therefore it is not simply a carbon steel. Carbon steels are 10xx steels, any alloying elements other than carbon makes it an alloyed steel, and those fall into categories. Tool steel should have been a category for choice. 13% chromium makes it stainless, D2 is 12%


Kris
 
This has been in the back of my mind since the poll went up. I keep thinking D2 should have been included in the carbon category - simple as that. If 13% chromium makes it stainless, and D2 is 12%
 then D2 isn't stainless - close but no cigar.

Hey!! Carbon is winning and that's what I voted for but I'm trying to widen the selection of carbon steels that can be used in the forum knife to make more people happier about the selection whatever it is.
 
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