2015 Forum Knife - It's Never Too Early To Think About the Next Blade Forum Knife

silenthunterstudios said:
Scout knife!

Ha ha, I said it!

Seriously, scout knife. 4 tools. Spear blade with long pull and swedge of course, can opener, bottle opener with flat head screw driver, and punch. Bone scales with a bail. 5 or 6 on pull, probably a 5 would be best. If Queen, their version of a can opener. If GEC, I would love to see the old time can opener used. Size? Basic scout size.
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That's what I'm talking about!!!!!!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::D:D
 
silenthunterstudios said:
Scout knife!

Ha ha, I said it!

Seriously, scout knife. 4 tools. Spear blade with long pull and swedge of course, can opener, bottle opener with flat head screw driver, and punch. Bone scales with a bail. 5 or 6 on pull, probably a 5 would be best. If Queen, their version of a can opener. If GEC, I would love to see the old time can opener used. Size? Basic scout size.
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I like the scout knife idea, but isn't that just the queen scout knife they already make, but with bone instead of stag?
 
silenthunterstudios said:
Scout knife!

Ha ha, I said it!

Seriously, scout knife. 4 tools. Spear blade with long pull and swedge of course, can opener, bottle opener with flat head screw driver, and punch. Bone scales with a bail. 5 or 6 on pull, probably a 5 would be best. If Queen, their version of a can opener. If GEC, I would love to see the old time can opener used. Size? Basic scout size.
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I'd love a scout knife.... I think it'll end up being too expensive though.
 
Woodrow F Call said:
Awesome idea. GEC should do it anyways!!!!
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Thanks, I think all stockman collectors would want one! I think the 38 has a ton of potential! Maybe a spear master blade...?

I've also suggested a 54 Big Jack w a sheepfoot and caplifter. I hadn't yet been informed that a forum knife had already had a caplifter. Still, a 54 sized sheepfoot would rock, even as a Northwoods forest jack style single blade!

Now I can't stop thinking of corn cob jigging either! :)
 
IIRC the Scout Knife (SAK-type) was almost in discussion the former years. But it always ended up, that the company that would make the knife could not to the tools. GEC couldn´t make the can opener. So I think, if they would have managed that they would have almost brought out a Scout Knife (SAK-type). As I said before - IIRC!!

Well, we are not limited to a cutlery. But we need to find another cutlery for the scout knife idea. Why to change a winning team? GEC made outstanding Forum Knives in the past.
 
I for one never use the can opener anyway. Besides the BF knife should be unique.
 
I just had a brainstorm about a different approach to the 2015. What if we focused on getting an extremely-high hardness 1095, say up around Rc63 or 64, rather than a fancy pattern? If we went with a basic single-blade sodbuster or slim trapper pattern, the money saved could go for a premium heat treatment with high hardness.

Before you think this is not traditional; consider that Schrade USA hardened their 1095 up to Rc62, it was plenty hard yet still easy to sharpen. I've read custom makers here claim 1095 at Rc63 or 64 lasts long, is not brittle, yet still sharpens with traditional stones. This would be a knife for cutting not chopping--but that's what we traditional knife lovers do anyway.

Any interest to a focus on the steel over the pattern?

Here's a link to Schrade's hardness tables:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i60/BK420_Knives/dholderbarnettcopy.jpg

Here's a link to Traditional knifemaker Frank Richtig, who was born in 1887 and had a secret for hardening carbon steel that created amazing performance:

https://clarksonhistory.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/secrets-of-the-dead-the-richtig-knife/
 
How about an English jack?

Take GECs 64/65, add a pen blade and corn cob jigged bone to the saber ground blade w double pulls! BAM! :)
 
I said this before in this thread, I would really like some form of Appaloosa bone (not that camel bone stuff). If we can't, maybe a pattern that is just a full wooden scale or full bone scale ( no bolsters, like the case shadow style)
 
RobbW said:
I just had a brainstorm about a different approach to the 2015. What if we focused on getting an extremely-high hardness 1095, say up around Rc63 or 64, rather than a fancy pattern? If we went with a basic single-blade sodbuster or slim trapper pattern, the money saved could go for a premium heat treatment with high hardness.
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Good tempering, single drop point main, plus a leather awl would be interesting. More so was the link to Frank Rychtig and his secret tempering process.
I wasn't familiar with that bit of history, Thanks. :)
Oh, and thanks for posting the Schrade Rockwell Scale. :cool:
 
It seems like it makes sense to bring these posts from Charlie, the man who has volunteered to herd all us cats, to the fore:

#31
If we choose a new pattern that is on GEC's eventual agenda anyway, we do not pay for tooling. With another company there might be an upcharge for a new pattern. Anywhere from $5 to $15 per, depending on the pattern and the size of the order. We did not pay for #77 pattern tooling, because Mike Latham and I ordered some also (SFOs) which made it worthwhile for GEC to make a set of dies.
I wouldn't worry about that cost too much. Better to get a knife we want and like.
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#141
A real favorite of mine!

Rarely made in modern times, a two-blade stockman. Economical and useful.
The secondary blade can also be a punch, or a caplifter/screwdriver, but traditionally would be a spey.

I have a soft spot for single-spring two-blades. They "pocket" well, and show off the cutlers' skills. Lots of bragging rights, as well as practicality, IMO.
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#319
Spark is on board!! I talked to him this morning.
He said go for it. I re-iterated that I would ask people to upgrade their memberships. I am hoping those who can, will do it to support this wonderful place!!

I have agreed to facilitate for one more year, if you all will have me???
I will not accept the payments, or do the clerical work. I have to agree those are not my strong suits!
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#342
Thanks for all the enthusiasm my friends!

Thanks Liam for offering your services!!

And most of all, Barry deserves our thanks for taking on what I consider the hardest part! Keeping the records, and shipping out the knives.

I have gotten a raft of offers of assistance, emails and PMs. I am grateful to all of you, that you have offered to cover our backs.

It will take a while to get some information from the cutleries.

There is no hurry right now, so I will start another thread when we get closer to choosing time. In the meantime, the discussion here is enjoyable, and gives me some inspiration. As we did last year, I will try to extract some ideas from your comments, fold neatly with knives any manufacturers are willing to offer, put the ideas into a budget (less than $100) baking pan, and hope it all rises to the top!!!

It's kind of exciting! Not knowing what we are going to cook up!!
I will remember this moment . . . . .
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#807
I have been trying to stay out of the discussion, but have been enjoying some of the proposals that have been put forward!

The history we have created with these Forum knives has taught us a few things. Everyone wants a good quality knife, at a reasonable price.
We need to keep the price under $100, including domestic shipping.

The hard part is getting competitive bids! We used to have three companies who would try to meet our requested specifications, but I am hoping at least two will stay in the game. Other companies have been proposed, but they are either not flexible to our needs, or we didn't feel we'd get the quality we wanted. You folks are a tough crowd!!

Our choice of pattern depends to a large extent on what the factories are willing to make.

Last year, a talented hafter (knife finisher) at Canal street actually made an all-stainless prototype, which became Eric's Jack, but didn't get enough votes to become our first stainless BF knife in a while.



Since GEC was proposing to make a #77 sized jack, they offered to move it up in the schedule, and mark it PPP on our eventual choice of knife.
I doubt we are going to get free Stag this year though - that was an incredible gift from John Lloyd!!



So, it worked rather smoothly last time, asking the cutleries to propose a knife that they could make economically and elegantly, and then we decide if we like them, or at least one of them.
Last year Queen wouldn't bid. They were too busy!
I haven't broached the Forum knife subject with either Canal Street or GEC, or Queen for that matter, for a while. I think it's time I got the ball rolling. Unless someone objects, I will start to talk to them.
I will ask them to look through this thread if they want a hint, but that is a daunting task!! As I well know!!
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#840
The two blade, single spring knife is a marvel of cutlery genius! I have always loved them. I have gone on and on about them before!
Still . . . . . . . . .
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rye_a said:
It seems like it makes sense to bring these posts from Charlie, the man who has volunteered to herd all us cats, to the fore:

#31

#141

#319

#342

#807

#840
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Thanks for taking the time to find and quote Charlie's posts. Good info for one and all.
 
Thanks for collecting those posts, rye_a.
So far I haven't stuck my foot in my mouth; we'll have to see about that!
:D
 
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