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the zero profit rule still makes me scratch my head.

maybe the forum owner could consider a 10 dollar per knife profit for the maker and a 10 dollar per knife profit for the dealer that handles this substantial workload.

i think we could get more manufacturers and dealers interested and better knives.

having someone work for free doesnt sit well, and seems counterproductive.
 
It may have to do with Spark Spark being the owner of this site and the owner of a knife-business, so it seems entirely reasonable for him to make such regulations ;)

What do you mean 'better' knives? None of the ones I've had since 2008 have been bad, three excellent:) More knife manufacturers? In Traditionals there aren't too many to choose from....
 
i agree Spark can make any rules he wants, that doesnt mean the rules make sense or achieve any worthy goal.

constant reevaluation of rules and policies is healthy and wise.

imagine a world class cutler making two of the same knives- one he must deliver at zero profit (which actually means a loss when you consider energy, rent, insurance, wages, etc.) and a second knife that allows even a small profit.

it seems a foregone reality that the second knife will be better made on average, reality being reality and human beings being human beings.

which knife would you choose sight unseen?

i see no problem with the forum owner handling everything (orders, payments, shipping, etc.) to do with the yearly forum knife on his own terms and rules, profit or not.

whats weird is decreeing no one can make a profit. i guess it will continue this way until no one can be found to do this work for free.

more of a philosophical issue really. my experience is that allowing profit honors labor.
 
Elgatodeacero said:
the zero profit rule still makes me scratch my head.

maybe the forum owner could consider a 10 dollar per knife profit for the maker and a 10 dollar per knife profit for the dealer that handles this substantial workload.

i think we could get more manufacturers and dealers interested and better knives.

having someone work for free doesnt sit well, and seems counterproductive.
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I make exactly zero dollars from these Traditional Forums knives. None. Nada. Zilch.

I allow the BladeForums brand to be used under the condition that this is done as a group buy for the BladeForums community, to get a community sourced & approved knife, not as a way to generate a profit off a captive audience.
 
yes, i understand.

i am just pointing out that perhaps this is a rule that is counterproductive. profit is not bad or wrong.

maybe an additional 5 bucks per forum knife should be added to help cover the substantial effort and expense of operating this great forum?

i realize there are different philosophies surrounding this, i dont think there is a right or wrong answer. im just observing
that there are lost opportunities under the current rule, and positive goals that could be achieved if the rules were modified.

i do not feel captive, and the reality is that anyone on this forum has more knives than they have fingers and toes!

let us help you help us!
 
veitsi_poika said:
Hey Jack, you mentioned "compensated for extra time"... considering the BF guideline that the manufacturer needs to make the knives "at cost" (no profit)... do you think your Sheffield contact would be OK with that and be able to produce it for ~ $100 USD w/ shipping included?
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Please go back and read my post again. I wasn't talking about the forum knife, and was referring to the cutlery company, the actual makers of the knives, apart from that there is no Sheffield contact, other than me, and I certainly don't want either profit or compensation. Spark doesn't take a profit, and I don't think anyone else should.
 
gaj999 said:
Probably because you don't understand it. The cutler makes their normal profit. The dealer that acts as middleman can charge for time and materials, but no extra for profit.
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Bingo! :thumbsup: I never expected to see the site-owner have to come here to defend himself on charges of excessive altruism! What a strange argument o_O
 
Elgatodeacero said:
yes, i understand.

i am just pointing out that perhaps this is a rule that is counterproductive. profit is not bad or wrong.

maybe an additional 5 bucks per forum knife should be added to help cover the substantial effort and expense of operating this great forum?

i realize there are different philosophies surrounding this, i dont think there is a right or wrong answer. im just observing
that there are lost opportunities under the current rule, and positive goals that could be achieved if the rules were modified.

i do not feel captive, and the reality is that anyone on this forum has more knives than they have fingers and toes!

let us help you help us!
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Or, bear with me, you let the people who volunteer to do this continue to do so? I'm not really interested in lost opportunities, this is about letting the community get a great knife at the lowest possible price.
 
Jack Black said:
Please go back and read my post again. I wasn't talking about the forum knife, and was referring to the cutlery company, the actual makers of the knives, apart from that there is no Sheffield contact, other than me, and I certainly don't want either profit or compensation. Spark doesn't take a profit, and I don't think anyone else should.
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My apologies, I wasn't suggesting anything shady and perhaps I could've worded my question much better :oops: In the posts before yours, someone was questioning the "quality" of the potential Forum knife and you suggested that for the Guardian knife you compensate the cutler to assure added quality. However, considering the tight budget that we keep for the Forum knife, we don't have the luxury to pay for "added quality". That's all I was trying say, I'm sorry if it was poorly worded.

So the simpler question is, what can +/- $100 USD get us? People are suggesting tons of options but we have no idea what cost limitations there are and it had not been brought up yet for any of the options other than certain manufacturers being too expensive.

I'm all for the Sheffield option, I think it would be great to have a Forum knife from one of the center's of excellence. :)
 
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veitsi_poika said:
My apologies, I wasn't suggesting anything shady and perhaps I could've worded my question much better :oops: In the posts before yours, someone was questioning the "quality" of the potential Forum knife and you suggested that for the Guardian knife you compensate the cutler to assure added quality. However, considering the tight budget that we keep for the Forum knife, we don't have the luxury to pay for "added quality". That's all I was trying say, I'm sorry if it was poorly worded.

So the simpler question is, what can +/- $100 USD get us? People are suggesting tons of options but we have no idea what cost limitations there are and it had not been brought up yet, for any of the options other than certain manufacturers being too expensive.

I'm all for the Sheffield option, I think it would be great to have a Forum knife from one of the center's of excellence. :)
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Sorry Kevin, but $100 will get you just about any knife they still make in a factory in Sheffield. If the knife were to be made in Sheffield, I would expect the price to be very good indeed because the order is a relatively big one for them, and prices are still relatively low there. The price, however, would largely depend on what sort of knife people wanted, and if they want to have one made in Sheffield. The latter question is probably the first thing to decide, because there have been lots of other suggestions. All I'll say is that, in my opinion, Sheffield should be considered as a viable option, and I would be willing to help, with the assistance of a US dealer (as previously outlined). Since the issue has come up for some reason, I would not require any form of compensation, payment, or profit. For now, I'm not going to answer any more questions relating to Sheffield, and I'm certainly not going to answer any questions relating to knives which are not the forum knife :thumbsup:
 
Jack Black said:
Sorry Kevin, but $100 will get you just about any knife they still make in a factory in Sheffield. If the knife were to be made in Sheffield, I would expect the price to be very good indeed because the order is a relatively big one for them, and prices are still relatively low there. The price, however, would largely depend on what sort of knife people wanted, and if they want to have one made in Sheffield. The latter question is probably the first thing to decide, because there have been lots of other suggestions. All I'll say is that, in my opinion, Sheffield should be considered as a viable option, and I would be willing to help, with the assistance of a US dealer (as previously outlined). Since the issue has come up for some reason, I would not require any form of compensation, payment, or profit. For now, I'm not going to answer any more questions relating to Sheffield, and I'm certainly not going to answer any questions relating to knives which are not the forum knife :thumbsup:
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Well said Jack :) So for now... Sheffield is definitely "on the table"... so, who's next to consider? ;)
 
I just wanted to say that I am super excited by the prospect of a Sheffield. I had assumed this would be another year for GEC, but if this enthusiasm hold up, I am 100% on board. I don't own any Sheffield knives, and the Lambsfoot, Tackler, and Pruner are all patterns I have never had and would love to have.

I hadn't realized that the Guardians actually had ordered knives in the past, and now that I know that, I need to figure out how to get on board for the next one, if there is another lambsfoot to be made. And I think that maybe not going the lambsfoot route might be best for the forum knife (but I would love a lambsfoot, so I am never going to oppose one).

I am just very excited. Wouldn't it be great to pick up a knife from such an important historic cutlery center. Maybe it is just my archaeology/history nerd side that makes me so excited, but I love added historicity to anything I can have.
 
I'll just say that the Ashley's Choice Lambsfoot as pleasing to me any GEC I own or have owned. I have no complaints about it for the price, and I think that if Sheffield can make 500 knives of that quality there will be very few buyers who will regret getting a knife made by them.
 
JTB_5 said:
I'll just say that the Ashley's Choice Lambsfoot as pleasing to me any GEC I own or have owned. I have no complaints about it for the price, and I think that if Sheffield can make 500 knives of that quality there will be very few buyers who will regret getting a knife made by them.
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Got mine in my pocket now, along with an ebony GEC #15 (courtesy of @r redden). Fantastic knives.

I wonder how many forum knives are sold each year? And were more sold last year because Buck was involved? Seems like there were a lot of buyers that are never seen on the Porch.
 
Last year was a big order and the year before that. Hence a lot of interest was generated from outside the 'narrow' confines of this part of the Forum, and this is pleasing. Last year Buck's involvement drew in many existing Buck fans but also those who like quality stainless too..;) Year before that it was a TC Barlow and some elements related to a certain dolphin..may have been drawn to it for other motives;) The early years saw small orders understandably enough, but numbers began to rise after 2009 and notably when GEC became a prominent player. However, I don't think 500 is some minimum, just where it's been around, that could change by the year.
 
PRUNER !!:cool:

Do you think if we asked nicely and early enough that The Old Dog would make us up 500 of something like this for under a Hundred including postage, import tax,Brexit tariffs, currency fluctuations etc etc? ;):D:D:cool:

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I think we might have to opt for the Mora actually (used) ;)
 
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