$300.00 to $500.00 mark ups???

[Pygmalion]

I have one blade sitting here that I have no hope of recouping my cost on anytime soon, however I knew that when I purchased it.

No doubt I have a few of these myself. It just goes to show a knife is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. It might not be worth that for long, though.

 

[mymindisamob]

You may well be correct, but I just can't warm to the ASH1 (he said as he put on kevlar, ducked for cover and swore he wasn't a heretic). I'm not a fan of spearpoints, and the handle shape appears to me too restrictive to different grips. I've never held one so that may not be true, but that's what I perceive from looking at pics. I have a Mud Razor and it will probably do everything the SFNO would as well.....but I still want a SFNO. It's a sickness I tell you.

I am in agreement here as far as the ASH1 goes. I love the handles, but cannot stand the blade shape or weight distribution. The SFNO still beats all designs from Busse so far as the ultimate utilitarian knife goes. This is just my opinion, but I have tried out all within this size category and I'm fortunate enough to not be stuck trying to justify a blade against one I don't have.

 

[Last Visible Canary]

The only exception to this was the ASH1, but it really isn't an exception because it was never made of INFI originally so you could say that it is not a re-release of an INFI knife.

the ash ones weren't identical to the older versions of the bbshsh in profile either.

wasn't the sk, as, and ad all direct exact re-releases? (am I crazy? has the sk and as even been rereleased?)

i disagree that reissues would demand a different price then the older ones. the only way this would be the case would be if the knives were totally different in what was offered on them handle and coating wise, or they were a different profile like extra thick or thin. the reissue of the active duty (though it was previously only a kinda special order kinda custom shop knife) brought the prices to a neutral point between old and new because they were the same knife, with only slight variances in what was offered.

 

[jimmyjones]

the ash ones weren't identical to the older versions of the bbshsh in profile either.

wasn't the sk, as, and ad all direct exact re-releases? (am I crazy? has the sk and as even been rereleased?)

i disagree that reissues would demand a different price then the older ones. the only way this would be the case would be if the knives were totally different in what was offered on them handle and coating wise, or they were a different profile like extra thick or thin. the reissue of the active duty (though it was previously only a kinda special order kinda custom shop knife) brought the prices to a neutral point between old and new because they were the same knife, with only slight variances in what was offered.

The SK was a direct re-release, came out with the AK. The AD's that were released during the Milli-Ganza (EDC-ganza ?) are thicher than the .150 AD's from the old run. Looks like the AS will be anorexic on it's next release.

The fat AD's put some direct competition to the HD's on the secondary market. They're almost the same thickness. I have a BLK/BLK AD from the CS that without a micrometer, you can't tell it from my blk/blk HD.

 

[Cobalt]

the ash ones weren't identical to the older versions of the bbshsh in profile either.

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The ASH is close enough that you can call it the same knife except for the steel. Take a look at how close Ducci's remake is to the old one. It didn't take a lot for someone with the skill to make it nearly identical. Most collectors could not tell it isn't an old one if it isn't next to an old one.

 

[Ken44]

I've paid double the release price on a few, and was very glad to get them. I'm also pretty sure those won't be made again in that configeration.

You also never know what the person has in the knife, some are just trying to get there money back.
I think I saw a coated HD for $1100.00 on exchange, but we have no idea what they may have gave for it, and it may be worth it to an HD collector.
I and others will give more for the ones we really want.

I've never made a cent on any of the Busse's I've sold, but thats only because I sell them quick if I don't like them or need funds for another Busse. I've yet to sell any that are in high demand though, another reason I've sold at cost.

 

[Progunner]

You may well be correct, but I just can't warm to the ASH1 (he said as he put on kevlar, ducked for cover and swore he wasn't a heretic). I'm not a fan of spearpoints, and the handle shape appears to me too restrictive to different grips. I've never held one so that may not be true, but that's what I perceive from looking at pics. I have a Mud Razor and it will probably do everything the SFNO would as well.....but I still want a SFNO. It's a sickness I tell you.

No slings and arrows for you my friend. The hand is different that is true. I think the SFNO was a better chopper than the HR/MR, but I may be mistaken. I regret selling my only SFNO almost as much as I regret not buying a dozen of them when I had a chance.

 

[Cobalt]

ok, maybe this is the question that should be asked:

How do those of you that have paid $700 + for the SFNO feel if the SFNO is re-released at $287 for the basic and $437 for the LE, with double cuts going for high $300's?

If I had bought several SFNO's at high prices, I would be pissed.

Here is another one:

How do those of you feel if the original mean street was re-released at $217 for the basic and $347 for an LE, when you have been paying $600 plus for current ones.

Oh, lets talk old SHBA's. Those are going for high prices these days. $600 to $900. Re-release that one at $227 std and $387 for the LE. There might be some pissed off people there that payed premium for their originals.

This is why Busse has the no remanufacture rule.

 

[rt014]

ok, maybe this is the question that should be asked:

How do those of you that have paid $700 + for the SFNO feel if the SFNO is re-released at $287 for the basic and $437 for the LE, with double cuts going for high $300's?

If I had bought several SFNO's at high prices, I would be pissed.

Here is another one:

How do those of you feel if the original mean street was re-released at $217 for the basic and $347 for an LE, when you have been paying $600 plus for current ones.

Oh, lets talk old SHBA's. Those are going for high prices these days. $600 to $900. Re-release that one at $227 std and $387 for the LE. There might be some pissed off people there that payed premium for their originals.

This is why Busse has the no remanufacture rule.

That is exactly why there were probably a few pissed people when the HR was released in a fairly significant number in the Razorganza. Course that is counter balanced by the number of people who've been after them and finally scored them.

 

[randucci]

The ASH is close enough that you can call it the same knife except for the steel. Take a look at how close Ducci's remake is to the old one. It didn't take a lot for someone with the skill to make it nearly identical. Most collectors could not tell it isn't an old one if it isn't next to an old one.

Now, if we can just get Jerry to make some ASH1s in .200" thick, we could have a real nice slicer!

As far as the price for knives goes, I and others in the past and again here, if people would quit paying 3X for knives, they wouldn't cost that much. It makes it tough to justify paying $1000 for a user when there are many other makers out there with great knives for $300 - $500. I'm real glad I got mine back when they were more reasonable.

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

This is all fine and good. But let's get down to the real issue:

WE NEED CGSFNOs.

You know, I have never even held an SFNO. And I hate to say it but since I obtained a CG ASH1 my need for an SFNO just isn't as strong any more. Not at current prices.

My ASH1 is the perfect mid-sized knife for me right now. And if I never see the re-release of the CG SFNO I don't think I'll be too bummed. I do not collect knives. Just not my thing. So if I scored an SFNO I would have to decide between it and my ASH1 and only keep one. So with my ASH1 I am good.

I also look forward too the new bad a$$ models Boss HOG has planned for us.

I'll keep my eye open for a good deal on the SFNOs but for me it's time to move on.

 

[Cobalt]

That is exactly why there were probably a few pissed people when the HR was released in a fairly significant number in the Razorganza. Course that is counter balanced by the number of people who've been after them and finally scored them.

I am sure there was a few, although the HR hasbeen around long enough IMO and was quite unpopular when it came out because of the corrugations. It is only now that it really has become popular.

However, the excuse here is that we are still in the fussion line so I guess Busse could make runs of both HR's and SFNO's since officially the Fussion line is still in production.

It would be different if he came out with runs of BA-E's and NO-E's which everyone wants.

 

[Evolute]

ok, maybe this is the question that should be asked:

How do those of you that have paid $700 + for the SFNO feel if the SFNO is re-released at $287 for the basic and $437 for the LE, with double cuts going for high $300's?

If I had bought several SFNO's at high prices, I would be pissed.

Here is another one:

How do those of you feel if the original mean street was re-released at $217 for the basic and $347 for an LE, when you have been paying $600 plus for current ones.

Oh, lets talk old SHBA's. Those are going for high prices these days. $600 to $900. Re-release that one at $227 std and $387 for the LE. There might be some pissed off people there that payed premium for their originals.

This is why Busse has the no remanufacture rule.

Here's a (edited) quote from Jerry, on the subject of whether there will be re-releases:

Originally posted by Jerry Busse

"The production schedule is slated at 1 or 2 models per offer period. Those models will ONLY be available during the time period that they are offered and will not be offered again for approx. 3 years. For example, the Force One and the Nuclear Air Rescue Knife (NARK) were offered during the month of August, 2004. They will not be available again for approximately 3 years or until August, 2007."

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311810

(Retrospectively, I do think that history shows he has not remained on course of the originally stated plan, and I would venture to guess that he's changed his mind. However, the official word on the subject remains that there will be re-releases, after three years. It's a sticky right at the top of this forum, for anybody to read.)

If he re-releases for significantly cheaper than I'm paying for this one, I won't be pissed that he is doing what he said he'll do.

 

[papathud]

If the Busse knife you want to sell is a coveted knife you can indeed start with a low price and raise it every few days till it sells, I may have done that from time to time in the distant past.

Some people wait to see if the knife will last a few days than hope the Seller will lower the price, then seeing the price go up, they sometimes get upset, then seeing the price go up again, jump in and buy the knife.

Remember, Variants used to be called Mutants and sold for a lower price than the Standard model, then a little creative marketing happened, Then Jerry got to where he could get a premium price up front and the collector's market changed.

 

[on_the_edge]

This is all fine and good. But let's get down to the real issue:

WE NEED CGSFNOs.

You know, I have never even held an SFNO. And I hate to say it but since I obtained a CG ASH1 my need for an SFNO just isn't as strong any more. Not at current prices.

My ASH1 is the perfect mid-sized knife for me right now. And if I never see the re-release of the CG SFNO I don't think I'll be too bummed. I do not collect knives. Just not my thing. So if I scored an SFNO I would have to decide between it and my ASH1 and only keep one. So with my ASH1 I am good.

I also look forward too the new bad a$$ models Boss HOG has planned for us.

I'll keep my eye open for a good deal on the SFNOs but for me it's time to move on.

If you are happy with a CG ASH1, then don't let anyone convince you that you need to get an SFNO in any iteration. What it boils down to is this: Are you happy with what you have? Some are always in pursuit of that perfect (read as "nonexistant") knife. Many of those folks may never be really happy--they'll be after the next knife before the first one even arrives.

Besides, if you find yourself getting really desperate to handle an SFNO, I'll just send you my user and you can try her out. :thumbup: It's all good.

 

[Cobalt]

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yup he did say that about the fussions, I do remember him saying they would come out twice. but here is what he said of the oldr versions:

Once we stop making a knife. . . .we stop making it. Period. We will not reintroduce it, despite any overwhelming demand that might exist. That way we can insure that those who collect Busse's will have a very high level of protection on their investment. Busse prices will only get higher with time . . . .this ensures that even if you beat your knife senseless you will probably be able to at least get out of it what you paid for it years later.

Yours in nuclear collectability,

Jerry Busse

 

[Uncle_Jarvis]

PROGUNNER:

I COULD NOT OF SAID IT BETTER :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

The SFNO prices are F ing crazy....

As for Uncle_Jarvis' sale thread and price raising. I think he was making a point, at least I hope so. I have only seen one other guy raise a price and actually sell the knife, he needed it so I commend him for giving it a try.

Let us not rush to the countryside with our torches and pitchforks just yet.

 

[Evolute]

Cobalt,

Yup, he said that, too. I don't think we're really in disagreement.

I'm just giving you my personal answer to the question you just indirectly asked me. (i.e., As someone who just paid $700+ for an SFNO, how would I feel about a much cheaper re-release?) I'm just letting you know that I would feel no reason to be pissed off, and would merely feel that Jerry is doing what he said he was going to do.

Cheers.

 

[Cobalt]

Cobalt,

Yup, he said that, too. I don't think we're really in disagreement.

I'm just giving you my personal answer to the question you just indirectly asked me. (i.e., As someone who just paid $700+ for an SFNO, how would I feel about a much cheaper re-release?) I'm just letting you know that I would feel no reason to be pissed off, and would merely feel that Jerry is doing what he said he was going to do.

Cheers.

Yah, I totally forgot that with the fussion line he did say he would have TWO releases. So that opened the door to another run. So then the next release of the SFNO should be soon.

I am not a fan of the SFNO but I do like the SFNO handle. If Busse were to make a 10 inch blade version of the SFNO I would go for it

 

[Uncle_Jarvis]

I think the SFNO is perfect the way it is... If I wanted a 10+ inch blade I would want a Fusion or E handle all the way..