$300.00 to $500.00 mark ups???

Cobalt,

I agree. It's a great handle. While I do (obviously) like the SFNO, I would also like to see it in other blade lengths and configurations, as I've mentioned previously.

The Fusion handles that the FBM and FSH have don't fit my hands well, by the way.
 
Cobalt said:
The ASH is close enough that you can call it the same knife except for the steel. Take a look at how close Ducci's remake is to the old one. It didn't take a lot for someone with the skill to make it nearly identical. Most collectors could not tell it isn't an old one if it isn't next to an old one.
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well any good collector would want the plunge line :D
 
OTE: I hear you man. The ASH1 feels perfect. And I am in PM's pass-around so I will have an SFNO in my hands in the not so distant future. ;)
 
To me the SJTLE is too close to the SFNO to make a big fuss. I think they're both .220 or pretty close. I like 6 inches better for utilitarian purposes and if I want something to chop with I'll get something bigger. Still, unless you have empty pockets paying 2x for what a knife originally cost is a little silly. I'd rather put that towards a nice custom busse with similar characteristics. I'd feel just as bad beating a 750 combat grade off of e-bay as a 697 custom. Either way there is way too much cool stuff on the exchange for less money. :D
 
Since I own two original SFNOs part of me hopes they aren't ever re-released, but if they were I'd probably just buy more. Even though I paid secondary market prices, ultimately its Jerry's design and if he wants to make more I'd heartily affirm his right to do so, even though it would hurt the "value" of mine. But, unless my daughter is starving to death someday I wouldn't sell my SFNOs anyway. I bought them because I liked them the best. Since they are worth what I paid TO ME, it doesn't really matter how their value fluctuates on the secondary market. If you pay what something is worth TO YOU instead of for speculative purposes you don't have to get bent out of shape later if things change.

As far as the other issue -- the ASH1 is a nice knife (especially the thinner Ganzaa models IMO), but it doesn't hold a candle to the SFNO as a user. In fact, the Razors are probably second and the ASH1 third in that category. Of course this is just my opinion.
 
Cobalt said:
yup he did say that about the fussions, I do remember him saying they would come out twice. but here is what he said of the oldr versions:
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This is another reason for my change to Busse's. Imagine if all the Randall 14's hit the market at once. They would bottom out due them being produced for 30+ years.

THe Busse's, in my limited experience and knowledge, have never been and never will be produced in such an overwhelming number.

Yeah i may not make an instant 100-200 on each knife purchased, but I'll at least won't wait til death til they arrive either.

For me it comes down to having to touch em. I enjoy that the most. I really don't care if I make money on a quick turn around. Like most just don't want to get stuck.

Thats what is so great about the infi.......I can actually get a user that I get to use for free by the time I get rid of it--if at all.
 
XMP said:
...I bought them because I liked them the best. Since they are worth what I paid TO ME, it doesn't really matter how their value fluctuates on the secondary market. If you pay what something is worth TO YOU instead of for speculative purposes you don't have to get bent out of shape later if things change.
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Well stated, XMP.
 
Lil' Foo said:
I think with these prices, we will see the SFNO re-released SOON.

If you all haven't noticed Boss Hogs new approach...
as soon as a blade style starts to bring a premium, he re-releases it. ;)

I mean come on... if anyone should capture the $$$ for a knife, its Jerry...
He designed it and made it after all.

If you think about it, he did it with several blade styles already...
and if you all hadn't noticed, he's taken a real bite out of the secondary market
with all that he's been putting out there.

Be patient... you will see the SFNOs again.
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I agree and it's the rerelease of knives that has made me rethink my collection.


Cobalt said:
I totally disagree here. Busse has a long standing policy not to re-release knives of the past. He's done this so that the collector value of the existing pieces does not plummet.

I seriously doubt you will see SFNO's as a regular production item. You will see them as ganza knives but that is all. And I agree with his policy. Besides he continually comes up with new designs and one day he may make the perfect design and we will all be happy for it. Can't dwell on the past.

The only exception to this was the ASH1, but it really isn't an exception because it was never made of INFI originally so you could say that it is not a re-release of an INFI knife.

Yes, I am sure many would love to see a re-release of the original Badger, which is probably the nicest 4.5 inch bladed knife out there, but since it was made out of INFI in later years, I cannot imagine Busse comming out with it. In fact I would bet that if that was done, you might see a mass exodus of formerly loyal hogs.
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Has anyone figured out how or if the ASH affects the value of the original SH-1???


Cobalt said:
ok, maybe this is the question that should be asked:

How do those of you that have paid $700 + for the SFNO feel if the SFNO is re-released at $287 for the basic and $437 for the LE, with double cuts going for high $300's?

If I had bought several SFNO's at high prices, I would be pissed.

Here is another one:

How do those of you feel if the original mean street was re-released at $217 for the basic and $347 for an LE, when you have been paying $600 plus for current ones.

Oh, lets talk old SHBA's. Those are going for high prices these days. $600 to $900. Re-release that one at $227 std and $387 for the LE. There might be some pissed off people there that payed premium for their originals.

This is why Busse has the no remanufacture rule.
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You're scaring me. :eek:
Quit making reference to the SHBA being rereleased.

What if Jerry decides to take the current ASH handle and add a 9 to 10 inch blade???
Would'nt that make it a BBSHSH proto like the ones Ducci, PG, & Strabs have?
Theirs are all A2 so it wouldn't break your so called never made in INFI rule but would sure take a bite out of the current SHBM value in my opinion.

piglet
 
Mulder said:
Has anyone figured out how or if the ASH affects the value of the original SH-1???
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I don't see how it could. They are two totally different knives in a sense. The A2 and ATS34 knives are collector knives not users, soI would say that most people who like that style would still collect the originals and use the new ones. Original ASH's don't seem to be affected much as recent ones have gone fairly high. The older they get the rarer they get.


Mulder said:
What if Jerry decides to take the current ASH handle and add a 9 to 10 inch blade???
Would'nt that make it a BBSHSH proto like the ones Ducci, PG, & Strabs have?
Theirs are all A2 so it wouldn't break your so called never made in INFI rule but would sure take a bite out of the current SHBM value in my opinion.

piglet
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Actually, I do not think it would take a bite out of the SHBM at all. I have not collected my SHBM's because I plan on profiting off them. I collected them because they happen to be THE knife I like the most. If I sell one it is because I have more than one or because it is a variant that I did not care for, or maybe I just have too many. I seriously doubt that anything made today would take a bite out of an original SHBM.

In fact I would love to see a 10 inch bladed ASH1, which is what it is, not really a BBSHSH since it is basically a lengthened ASH. It does not break the INFI rule indeed and so I do hope Busse would make it.
 
I agree that some of the secondary market prices are high. No doubt that some of you have made a profit from me recently. Even if I did pay twice the original price for some knives all I can do is say THANK YOU to all of you who sold me what I really wanted. The fact that there is a healthy secondary market is a blessing for me no matter where price levels are at, as virtually every knife I have really wanted has popped its head up recently. I am very picky about the Busse's I want and have managed to get everything I ever dreamed of owning minus a couple knives I don't ever expect to find for sale at any price. Basically I believe in the value of the knife itself and not the price to obtain it, and if what I want ends up costing a grand or more then that's my fault for being so picky. Anyway, I really do appreciate all of you who cracked open your safes and made some really rare knives available.
 
Not a problem Sir. If you are happy so am I !! :thumbup:
I feel the same way about a select few Busse s that I am lucky enough to own.

Moloko Plus said:
I agree that some of the secondary market prices are high. No doubt that some of you have made a profit from me recently. Even if I did pay twice the original price for some knives all I can do is say THANK YOU to all of you who sold me what I really wanted. The fact that there is a healthy secondary market is a blessing for me no matter where price levels are at, as virtually every knife I have really wanted has popped its head up recently. I am very picky about the Busse's I want and have managed to get everything I ever dreamed of owning minus a couple knives I don't ever expect to find for sale at any price. Basically I believe in the value of the knife itself and not the price to obtain it, and if what I want ends up costing a grand or more then that's my fault for being so picky. Anyway, I really do appreciate all of you who cracked open your safes and made some really rare knives available.
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If is sold on Fleabay it's an unrelaible price! For all we know his buddy made a fake bid just to raise the price!:thumbdn:
 
Bravado said:
If is sold on Fleabay it's an unrelaible price! For all we know his buddy made a fake bid just to raise the price!:thumbdn:
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that happens all the time on fleabay. They pump the price up, sometimes they win sometimes it backfires and they have to post it again with a loss of fees.
 
I was wondering that myself Mr. Clean.

I suspect having a lower number adds about ~200.00 in value to the knife!

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Grimspoon said:
I was wondering that myself Mr. Clean.

I suspect having a lower number adds about ~200.00 in value to the knife!

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:D:D...

I guess anything #20 and below is easily worth $1200+ then... LOL

Maybe a #1 or #2 would fetch $10,000 WOW !!!
 
Mulder said:
Has anyone figured out how or if the ASH affects the value of the original SH-1???
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So few come up for sale, I doubt it would hurt it much if at all. If you are looking for an original, the ASH won't matter. They are two different knives.

Mulder said:
What if Jerry decides to take the current ASH handle and add a 9 to 10 inch blade???
Would'nt that make it a BBSHSH proto like the ones Ducci, PG, & Strabs have?
Theirs are all A2 so it wouldn't break your so called never made in INFI rule but would sure take a bite out of the current SHBM value in my opinion.
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Again, even if Jerry did make a longer version of the ASH, it still would not be one of the 6 or so out there like ours. I don'r think it would hurt the BM values much if at all either. But if I could tell the future, I wouldn't be where I am today. :D
 
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