4 months too long for a refund?

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This'll be a long explanation so here's the point. I just found out a knife I bought 4 months ago was faulty at purchase. I asked the guy I got it from for a refund and he said "too late." Is it too late?

Here's the long version:
I bought/traded my NIB Spyderco Tuff + $90 for a used CRK small insingo in October. I'd rather not specify members unless necessary so let's say I got it from Joe. Joe was not the original owner of the insingo and he bought it from "Matt," who was the original owner, in May. I recently sold the insingo to "Charlie," who happens to already have one. When Charlie received mine he informed me that the blade had been substantially over sharpened. I've never handeld an insingo before so I had nothing to compare mine to so I had never noticed the amount of steel that was missing. As far as I can tell, Joe was not aware of this when he bought it from Matt either, so I'm not accusing Joe of witholding this information when he sold it to me. I also talked to Matt and he says he didn't notice that the blade had become over sharpened either. Charlie is now sending me back the insingo and I will be giving him a refund. I asked Joe for a refund as well and he refused, stating that he doesn't know what I've done with it and it's been too long.

Here's a comparison shot Charlie sent me of his insingo on the right and mine on the left:

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You can see how much thinner and shorter the blade is, and how much more upswept the tip is.

Here's a picture Joe sent me when I bought it:

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And here's a picture from Matt's original sale thread when Joe bought it:

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You can see that the blade has been like this since long before I even had it. I talked to a mod and he suggested I post here so what do you folks think? Do I deserve a refund or at least should Joe pay for a replacement blade?
 
How was the condition represented when you bought it?
 
You should delete your last as the search string leads directly to the seller, if it matters... but yeah, sounds like BS to me. Obviously a lot of blade is missing. He owes you something, IMO.
 
The intentional misrepresentation of items on this site is against the rules. It boils down to lying. It's hard to say if 4 months is too long for a refund, however, if you are not satisfied then the other individual should step up and at least hear your oncerns.
 
The intentional misrepresentation of items on this site is against the rules. It boils down to lying. It's hard to say if 4 months is too long for a refund, however, if you are not satisfied then the other individual should step up and at least hear your oncerns.

But as far as I can tell it wasn't intentionally misrepresented. He didn't seem aware of the problem.
 
Okay now we have to go back to when that first owner sold it how is it described?
 
Looks like the two descriptions contradict each other at least to some degree.
 
No I dont think 4 months is too long, if the person can prove that it is still in the same condition, or close to, which he has with the original pictures. I do not know about the person you bought it from, but the original owner def. misrepresented it. Just because someone cant tell, does not mean you should leave it out of the description.
 
If you could have sold it would you want a refund, no. I think under these circumstance a refund would not be warranted. Everything was fine in your eyes until you attempted to sell it. If the knife was not to your liking initially or had showed extreme degradation shortly thereafter then yes, but this situation unfortunately no. If its for sale shoot me a pm or email at tookerw1040@gmail.com
 
So I guess I am "Joe" in this story (or whoever sold this to KRAM).

Here's a few facts for those that are interested:

On or about Oct. 15, 2012 I entered into a trade with Kram which included the Insigno. It was actually in addition to a BM bali that I owned and include his Spyderco Tuff.

The trade went off without any problem and we both exchanged our respective ends of the trade.

This is key: at the conclusion of the trade KRAM confirmed for me that he was happy with the insigno (and I his end of the trade). We left positive feedback for one another. At this point, per forum rules, I considered the trade complete.

He contacted me about 3-4 days ago to ask if I'd sharpened the knife. I don't believe that I did but, for obvious reasons, cannot be sure. Keep in mind that, at this point, he's had the Insigno for longer then I owned it.

Then he sends me an email demanding that I pay him $350 for the knife.

Notice, at the time of the trade, he confirmed that it met with his expectations and he was "very happy with the knives". Now, some five months later he sells it to someone else. This someone says he's not happy and Karm, in turn, wants a refund from me.

To be absolutely clear, the knife that I sent to Karm was described honestly and accurately. He confirmed this to be the case. I don't know what took place in the last 4-5 months with the Seb but at the end of the day it's not my responsibility.

I never said "its too late"; what I did say was "once you confirm that the knife meets expectations the trade is done."

I have emails to back all of this up if necessary.

TL;DR: We traded. He confirmed he was happy. Then, 5 months later, demands that I buy back the knife from him bc a sale he tried didn't work out.
 
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How did you describe the knife when traded?
 
ooitzoo

How did you describe the knife when traded?

From the initial trade thread:

Very Lightly Used CRK Small Sebenza Insigno - Purchased this a while back. Never really used it. Listing as used due to blemish on Ti from storage and since I have had it in pocket twice. Otherwise, perfect lock up / F&F / function.
***PICS TO BE POSTED IN THE MORNING***
 
Just out of curiosity, how the hell does KARM know where I purchased the insigno?

Before another party gets brought into this, I will say the following: I cannot confirm or deny (without further research) that this came from another party on the forum. What I will say is that, if it came from another party, that party is unrelated to this dispute. I gave him my confirmation that I was happy with his knife and, as such, there is no reason to involve them. Unlike some, I believe my word is worth something when I say "I am happy with this".
 
Just out of curiosity, how the hell does KARM know where I purchased the insigno?

Before another party gets brought into this, I will say the following: I cannot confirm or deny (without further research) that this came from another party on the forum. What I will say is that, if it came from another party, that party is unrelated to this dispute. I gave him my confirmation that I was happy with his knife and, as such, there is no reason to involve them. Unlike some, I believe my word is worth something when I say "I am happy with this".

ooitzoo,
Very well stated..............
That ship has sailed
IMHO you don't owe anybody anything

 
If you could have sold it would you want a refund, no. I think under these circumstance a refund would not be warranted. Everything was fine in your eyes until you attempted to sell it. If the knife was not to your liking initially or had showed extreme degradation shortly thereafter then yes, but this situation unfortunately no. If its for sale shoot me a pm or email at tookerw1040@gmail.com

Well it was fine in my eyes until I found out it was flawed and technically it did show extreme degradation when I got it, I just didn't know it.
 
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