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52100 Para2

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by Cursum Perficio, Oct 5, 2017.

  1. on_the_edge

    on_the_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    A little mineral oil will go a looonnnnnnnng way. Food safe as well. :)
     
  2. Southern Appalachia

    Southern Appalachia Basic Member Basic Member

    117
    Oct 8, 2016
    This is my first Spyderco and modern folder. I think it’s great and love 52100. I was wondering if steel has sheared at the top. The compression lock has a slight catch to it when closing. As you can see it’s not 90 degrees to the liner/scales. Hope I don’t have a defect.
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  3. on_the_edge

    on_the_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    Are you asking about the top oval, the bottom oval, or something else?

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  4. FK

    FK Gold Member Gold Member

    839
    Sep 15, 1999
    I have 10 PM2 knives by Spyderco,,, the lockbar shape engagement on the blade is normal and designed very carefully for lockup.
    One of my PM2's had a slight catch when unlocking the compression lock,,, I lubed it up with Nano-Oil and opened/closed for a Netflix movie,,,, removed any slight burrs in the interface area,,, very smooth now.

    Regards,
    FK
     
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  5. Southern Appalachia

    Southern Appalachia Basic Member Basic Member

    117
    Oct 8, 2016
    @on_the_edge sorry for the confusion. The top
    @FK noted

    I’m hesitant to take it apart cause I hear that voids the warranty with Spyderco?
    It very well may be beveled for clearance. It works fine not quite sure if the small catch is normal
     
  6. on_the_edge

    on_the_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    First, mine looks exactly like yours, so I would not worry about that aspect. As FK said, how yours looks is the norm and all of my PM2s are the same.

    Second, I think I understand and can feel what you are describing. There is just a very slight "stop" just after you first start to close the blade. It happens almost immediately and then the rest of the closing of the blade is completely smooth. It also only happens when the compression lock is not fully pressed against the side of the carbon fiber. When it is fully compressed against the side, the blade closes smoothly from start to finish. Is that what you are talking about? If so, I think it is completely normal. No worries at all. :)
     
  7. Southern Appalachia

    Southern Appalachia Basic Member Basic Member

    117
    Oct 8, 2016
    @on_the_edge
    That clears it up, you described it perfectly. Gonna do some food prep in a bit to help that patina right along.
     
  8. on_the_edge

    on_the_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    Sweet! Enjoy the knife. My favorite offering from Spyderco is the PM2 and though a few other models get close, one of my PM2s usually is first to be carried. If you like yours, I would encourage you to consider the Maxamet version when it finally comes out. It will be a regular offering so hopefully will be around for a long time to come.
     
  9. silverds

    silverds

    416
    Jul 8, 2015
    I'm not sure why folks stain their blades with mustard or vinegar for an hour and call it a patina. No....that's a stain. A forced patina, done right, will protect your steel better and in less time than a natural patina. They are developed the same way except natural patina takes much longer, looks cruddy, and doesn't provide much protection until it becomes rich enough to absorb oil. Both of these have a forced patina. The PM2's patina is only a week old while the SRK's original forced patina has developed some natural patina on top. The original layers of forced patina are still visible but have grown rich with use and soaks up a lot of oil.

    Edit. I apologize if that sounded cranky. It wasn't meant that way.

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  10. DRoth

    DRoth

    44
    Apr 10, 2016
    I had been wiping mine down with a tuf-cloth every few days but still noticed some tiny rust spots on Friday so I decided to go ahead and force a patina. [​IMG]
     
  11. DRoth

    DRoth

    44
    Apr 10, 2016
    Picture didn't load. https://imgur.com/gallery/0k0wx
     
  12. DRoth

    DRoth

    44
    Apr 10, 2016
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  13. Brian Singleton

    Brian Singleton

    11
    Oct 18, 2017
    If I wanted to do a forced patina would I have to take the knife apart to get the part inside the scales too? Is there a good tutorial on how to do this?

    Thanks!
     
  14. DRoth

    DRoth

    44
    Apr 10, 2016
    Hi Brian - only the blade is carbon steel so that's the only thing you need to remove if you decide to force a patina on the entire blade. I chose to do the whole blade after seeing the reactivity in my neck of the woods.

    Remove the screws from one side of the scales. Gently lift them up slightly, rotate the scales around the lanyard tube to expose the blade, and remove. This was my first experience and it was dead simple. From the factory, mine was a bit tight and ever so slightly off-centered. Once I put it back together, it had perfect action and the blade was perfectly centered, but I don't know what I did to improve it. YMMV.

    Taking it apart will void the warranty if that matters to you.

    Welcome to the forum!
     
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  15. silverds

    silverds

    416
    Jul 8, 2015
    Worry NOT my friends. Your warranty is unharmed by properly servicing your knife.
    https://www.spyderco.com/service-support/warranty-repair/

    Spyderco’s knives are assembled to exacting tolerances by trained technicians, so we discourage end users from disassembling or adjusting our knives. If a knife has been disassembled and reassembled correctly—so as to maintain its proper mechanical function—this warranty remains in full effect. However, if a knife has been disassembled and reassembled in such a way that, in Spyderco’s sole determination, the proper mechanical function of the knife has been compromised, it is no longer covered by warranty.

    If you are going to apply a patina to the blade tang you should seal the face of the tang that makes contact with the PB bushings,inside the pivot hole, the detent ball track and the compression lock face. I use a Silver Sharpie. Its more like a paint than an ink and works pretty well for keeping the patina away from where you don't want it. Don't forget to soak the tang in alcohol and clean the paint off before reassembly.

    I would also suggest polishing down the factory grind lines down to like a 220 grit satin. This allows your patina to coat the blade more smoothly and the reduces the roughness of the surface where red/rust can grow but leaves just enough surface texture to retain the gray, brown and black rust you want. Once you have a nice dark gray, brown and black patina, you'll need to seal the surface with oil. Massage it into the patina, just like you're spit shining shoes. You know it's coated well when your finger leaves streaks in the viscous coat without pulling oil from the blade onto your finger.
     
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  16. Brian Singleton

    Brian Singleton

    11
    Oct 18, 2017
    Thanks DRoth and silverds. This is my first 'nice' knife and I'd hate to mess it up. It was a little stiff at first but I put a drop of oil on the detent and opened and closed it a lot and now it's perfect now. No play when the blade is locked, free swinging when I depress the lock, and very smooth. Perfect centering too. Its action feels a lot more smooth overall than the benchmade 940 I got my father for Christmas last year.

    I'll probably go ahead and give the patina thing a try over the holiday break. I have actually been carrying it and using it everyday and I'm not going to leave it in a box at home just because it was expensive.
     
  17. skwurll

    skwurll

    Oct 12, 2008
    Hopefully 52100 is something they release periodically, similar to S35V Para's. It should be in the line-up, IMO.
     
  18. DRoth

    DRoth

    44
    Apr 10, 2016
    Thanks for the warranty clarification, silverds!! That sounds way more reasonable.

    BTW, do you have any videos of your patina process? Aesthetically, your knife is way more pleasing to the eye.
     
  19. silverds

    silverds

    416
    Jul 8, 2015
    Thank you. I don't have video but I can describe my method.

    You need: acid, salt, moisture, and oxygen.
    Some convenient sources for these are in your kitchen. The higher the concentrations of these ingredients the faster your patina will develop. You can use mustard, A1, vinegar, mayonnaise, pineapple juice, lime juice, lemon juice, soy sauce coffee. Use anything you want as long as it is acidic or salty or better yet, acidic and salty.

    Smooth your blade. A highly polished blade won't stain as easily but is still vulnerable. Factory satin grinds are usually too aggressive and without oil, will stain easily. If you can hear a sound like running in corduroys when you scratch the blade with your fingernail, sand it down until it feels and sounds like scratching a chalkboard.. I think a 220 grit satin finish is perfect.

    Wash your blade with soap. Dish soap is fine but I use soap with borax in it. I don't know why. That's what my grandfather used so that's what I use.

    You can soak your blade if you are lazy or the way I do it is to completely wash the blade with your acids. Let it dry. Do it again until your blade darkens. It should darken fairly evenly, but its ok if not perfectly even, as long as the whole blade turns darker. Once you have a nice base patina. Get creative.

    Mustard has different reactions depending on how it's applied, do your own testing. If you don't like what you got, clean it with a scotchbrite pad and start over.

    Whatever your method, keep doing it over and over until the blade just won't take anymore. You should have dark gray, darker gray, some bronze or brown and maybe some black. Your blade will still reflect light underneath and you might still be able to see your sating finish. That's ok. If you think it's reflecting too much, rub some more stank on it.

    When you're satisfied with your patina, wash it with soap. The patina should become a little lighter, but not wash off. Now season it. I've used peanut butter, olive oil, vegetable oil, bacon fat, beard oil, oil from my forehead, lard. I rub that shit in good. With a good layer of oil I either heat it with a blow dryer or over the burner on the stove until it almost too hot to touch but not hot enough to burn me. Think hot car in the sun. This thins the oil and lets it seep a little deeper. Lastly I rub the oil in deep until my finger leaves streaks in the coat without picking up oil from the blade. The blade should feel like a wax candle. That's how I do it.

    My camera doesn't pick up the brown so much, I think it's because my table background overwhelms those tones but the PM2 has a "Realtree" effect. The SRK looks more like dingy urban camo. I didn't plan it that way, it's just how they turned out. The pinkish reflection is my ugly mug.

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  20. DRoth

    DRoth

    44
    Apr 10, 2016
    Great info!! Thank you!

    After an hour soaking the blade in AC vinegar with minimal results, my impatient brain wondered what would happen if I threw the whole concoction in the microwave. The picture I posted was the result.

    Thanks again for your detailed response!
     
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