8cr13mov, why so much hate?

glocker199 said:
The mot impressive of the Chinese steels I've used was by far the 9cr in a couple Red Class Benchmades.
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I absolutely second this.

I've been very impressed to say the least with the 9CR14MOV steel used on my HK Ascender.

I've been using the Ascender as a dedicated box opener and cardboard cutter for years now and the steel takes and holds a great edge that lasts far, far longer then I would have ever expected.

It's good stuff and I'm sure the HT has a lot to do with iit also.

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I too agree that the current "hated" steel has to be 3cr. There is a lot of factors that play to why someone may hate 8cr13mov. Maybe some people want more variety at a certain price point, or people can just get bored of seeing the same thing over and over again. Then you have people that are getting into the hobby that aren't that good at sharpening and 8cr offers them the ability to practice and get better without them having to spend a great deal of time to sharpen their knife; however you got people that know how to sharpen but they are sick and tired of having to sharpen their knife frequently. Then you got the people that are dead set on not wanting to by Chinese. You basically get a spectrum and theirs people on both ends and everywhere in between these statements.
 
Some people just don't care that their money is going to China and benefiting their economy.
I would rather buy one good USA made knife than 3 cheaper Chinese made knife.
When your job gets cut and moved to China please don't whine about it.
 
I have no problem with 8Cr13MoV. Even though they're very similar, I even prefer it over AUS-8. 8Cr seems to be harder and hold a crisper (albeit more brittle) edge.

As long as the knife is under $40, 8Cr13MoV is perfectly acceptable to me. It's when you start getting outside of that range that I start rejecting them outright.
 
Revolverrodger said:
Some people just don't care that their money is going to China and benefiting their economy.
I would rather buy one good USA made knife than 3 cheaper Chinese made knife.
When your job gets cut and moved to China please don't whine about it.
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Do you boycott China with all your purchases?
 
Revolverrodger said:
Some people just don't care that their money is going to China and benefiting their economy.
I would rather buy one good USA made knife than 3 cheaper Chinese made knife.
When your job gets cut and moved to China please don't whine about it.
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stabman said:
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I'm glad Craytab and Stabman kept me from having to say anything. I'm a damn broken record about Chinese knives being pretty much fine.
 
Comeuppance said:
I'm glad Craytab and Stabman kept me from having to say anything. I'm a damn broken record about Chinese knives being pretty much fine.
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Glad to help. ;)
Most of my favourite knives come from other places, but the few Chinese made knives I have are just fine.
I don't have any 8Cr13MoV steel ones though.
My wife had a Byrd Cara Cara though that she really liked till it got lost.
 
Revolverrodger said:
Some people just don't care that their money is going to China and benefiting their economy.
I would rather buy one good USA made knife than 3 cheaper Chinese made knife.
When your job gets cut and moved to China please don't whine about it.
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We are talking about knives here...take your political comments to the PA.
 
WillardCorspe said:
8Cr13MoV and AUS-8 are extremely similar in their composition... they perform about the same, in my experience. The American steel happens to be more expensive... so people assume it's better in some fashion. Truth is, American labor costs more.

Biggest difference between the two is that 8Cr13MoV has more manganese, while AUS-8 has more nickle.
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Which "American steel," please?
 
craytab said:
Everyone keeps saying they can get better steel for a few dollars more. What is a few dollars? $2? $3? 5? Show me comparable knives with with a better steel for a few dollars more. I wouldn't consider Aus8 or 440c to be a significant upgrade over 8cr. Show me something american made that is a comparable knife that is a just a few dollars more.
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AUS8 is marginally better, but real 440C is a bit better. 9CR is closer to 440C but still not quite there. I doubt you'll find a real 440C blade from China though.
 
I think it's a good layman knife user steel. Sharpens easy, which matters a lot when you're just some guy with a pocket stone. If you're not set up to sharpen at all then you need something higher end that will hold an edge 10x as long since you'll be buying a new one or finding a sharpening pro when it dulls.

I can see the hate since it's the only steel I've used that seemed to dull before my eyes. I carried a GIN-1 SE Spyderco for like 10 years before I finally got a new knife since it had dulled. I have since tooled up and touching up an 8Cr blade once in a while is no biggie.
 
craytab said:
Do you boycott China with all your purchases?
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Seems damn near impossible to. Wouldn't have a tv or stereo, or phone, or shoes, or clothes, or anything else really unless I was willing to buy from overseas manufacturers. Only thing I own that isn't made overseas is my s&w handgun, and my saturn, but they don't make those cars now.

It really sucks. Even people I owe money to are attempting collection from India.....
 
Comeuppance said:
I have no problem with 8Cr13MoV. Even though they're very similar, I even prefer it over AUS-8. 8Cr seems to be harder and hold a crisper (albeit more brittle) edge.

As long as the knife is under $40, 8Cr13MoV is perfectly acceptable to me. It's when you start getting outside of that range that I start rejecting them outright.
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Agree, stays sharper longer, and takes a bit longer to sharpen then Aus 8a. Doesn't have the same insane level of sharp as Aus 8a either. The only knives I own that will shave half of the length of a hair without skin contact are Aus 8a knives. Carbon steel, vg1, and 8cr13mov won't.
 
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