A bug out bags purpose?

[Spark]

I can't imagine what would upset anyone about that comment. Ideal BOB? What I don't need according to YOU? Why would anyone question the obvious brilliance of your non-arrogant completely objective and otherwise omniscient non-bloviations? Ahm just a dumb 'merican. Ah don't know how to do nothing but pollute the air and eat too much. Thank goodness I've got you to straighten me out.

Dude, you SO need to reread your posts.

He's right. You don't need any of that stuff for your BOB. Don't confuse BOB for Patrol pack or anything where you are going to be surviving off the land for extended times. It's there to get you safely out of dodge until you can get to a more sustainable area. The idea is to have the highest level of mobility possible, and be able to survive with the smallest, lightest stuff, while escaping from the area of danger. 5lbs of medical gear, 500 round of ammo, a rifle and an axe are all contraindicated for a BOB. They may not be for your survival pack, but for getting out of dodge with the bare minimum, they are.

 

[LittleHairyApe]

He's right. You don't need any of that stuff for your BOB. Don't confuse BOB for Patrol pack or anything where you are going to be surviving off the land for extended times. It's there to get you safely out of dodge until you can get to a more sustainable area. The idea is to have the highest level of mobility possible, and be able to survive with the smallest, lightest stuff, while escaping from the area of danger. 5lbs of medical gear, 500 round of ammo, a rifle and an axe are all contraindicated for a BOB. They may not be for your survival pack, but for getting out of dodge with the bare minimum, they are.

No he's not. At best he can only speak for himself. And the same goes for you and for me. My goal is not to have the "highest level of mobility possible." That's your goal maybe, but it's not mine. My goal is too get myself and my people "out" as safely as possible. That is the point I and others have been making. I can't tell you what you have to leave out of your BOB, and you have no idea what is appropriate for going in mine. Everybody's situation is different.

 

[dougo83]

No he's not. At best he can only speak for himself. And the same goes for you and for me. My goal is not to have the "highest level of mobility possible." That's your goal maybe, but it's not mine. My goal is too get myself and my people "out" as safely as possible. That is the point I and others have been making. I can't tell you what you have to leave out of your BOB, and you have no idea what is appropriate for going in mine. Everybody's situation is different.

Ok..before this gets closed, can't we just agree to disagre on what goes in a BOB? In NO after the hurricane everyone's priority seemed to be plasma tv's so we obviously all disagree on what is an absolute necessity.

I personally am less concerned with mobility. I would be probably alone since I am single and live quite a way from my family. My primary concerns with buggin are protection and food procurement. Easiest way to do that? Long gun. Sleeping bags, axes, etc are things I will pack because my experience in my area denotes their necessity as well. Nobody can say what one person or another needs in their pack, that is just a stupid assumption being made.

So...carry what you will. I am actually interested, as it seemed that forcedstrike was early on, in what some of y'all actually carry.

 

[Leanwolf]

ROBERT H " ... and I will use my rifle an ammo to get even better goodies from those who have them that I disagree with,..."

How do you define "... I disagree with...?"

Sounds like Gun Kid has returned.

L.W.

 

[forcedestrike]

Obviously realism was not what I was going for- you could replace Aliens with zombies, plague, foreign power, famine ect. its just to demonstrate a threat as opposed to just saying.

"something bad happens"

And besides, independence day was an awesome movie.

turn the TV off and go to bed I've obviously been watching some shite re-run of independence day.

Seriously your scenario happens and we're F#©&ed! We are struggling to solve our fuel and power needs, we are only able to land on the very nearest planet closest to us, you think we've got Buckley's chance against an alien race that has blown up all major world wide cities and are ready for the outright invasion.

Are you sure you're in the right forum dude? Sorry you just lost me when you mentioned aliens...

BTW no insult intended, lets just get a little realistic about this.

 

[forcedestrike]

Absolutely! your BoB works for you and thats fine.

My point was the difference between want and need, but I am not starting this up again

So whats in your BoB?

Ok..before this gets closed, can't we just agree to disagre on what goes in a BOB? In NO after the hurricane everyone's priority seemed to be plasma tv's so we obviously all disagree on what is an absolute necessity.

I personally am less concerned with mobility. I would be probably alone since I am single and live quite a way from my family. My primary concerns with buggin are protection and food procurement. Easiest way to do that? Long gun. Sleeping bags, axes, etc are things I will pack because my experience in my area denotes their necessity as well. Nobody can say what one person or another needs in their pack, that is just a stupid assumption being made.

So...carry what you will. I am actually interested, as it seemed that forcedstrike was early on, in what some of y'all actually carry.

 

[forcedestrike]

I know what I have written thanks, and I have already addressed all your questions in previous posts, As with regards to the 'ricain stuff- obviously if I had a problem with Americans I wouldn't be here. I don't see why you had to bring stereotypes and nationality into this debate.

 

[dougo83]

Absolutely! your BoB works for you and thats fine.

My point was the difference between want and need, but I am not starting this up again

So whats in your BoB?

It is actually under construction/renovation at the moment. I will post when I am not on my way to work or trying to sleep...Probably mid-week at best...

 

[David E]

If you look scared and unprepared with a regular rucksack then criminals will not immediately target you which will give you precious time.

Never have I heard that looking scared and helpless (ie; a total and complete victim) was insurance against being targeted by badguys.

Badguys are lazy. If you look like an extremely easy target, they'll be on you like white on rice.

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[David E]

Again you don't need spare socks to survive. Is it more comfortable? sure. but you don't need it.

If your primary mode of transportation is walking, then spare socks, along with quality footwear is essential.

If you get a blister (or multiple blisters) on your feet the size of silver dollars, your mobility is greatly affected.

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[David E]

I choose to stick to a handgun because I want to blend in as I bug out.

I'm curious about this.

My friend and I discussed this very topic during Katrina: Rifle, handgun or both?

Since you fall in the "handgun only" category, please provide some specifics, such as what particular handgun (and why) how would you carry it and what ammo would you choose (and why) ?

You posted earlier that you can "keep a handgun close" which is something I'd like to hear more about from you.

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[forcedestrike]

In the context I wrote this I stated that I would go with the crowd as I slip away-

Bad guys take sometime before they are organized enough to actively target people on a mass scale (gang run areas ect. and I will be long gone by then)- as the wave of sheeple evacuate I will blend along with them until I can slip away.

As the crisis first hits there is too much sheeple activity and law enforcement/ medical staff for BG's to effectively go round blasting off.

EDIT: and the whole point of a bug out bag is so that I can leave a crisis- why would I stick around? So the gangs of criminals roaming the streets with AK's is not something I will encounter while I am in the city.

Never have I heard that looking scared and helpless (ie; a total and complete victim) was insurance against being targeted by badguys.

Badguys are lazy. If you look like an extremely easy target, they'll be on you like white on rice.

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[forcedestrike]

I can keep a handgun on hand (tucked in a holster) should I need it without raising attention-

With regards to which handgun to pick-

Whichever your comfortable with. Loaded with self defense rounds (hollow point Hydra shok ect.) .


http://www.internetarmory.com/handgunammo.htm -A brilliant website, well worth the read.

I'm curious about this.

My friend and I discussed this very topic during Katrina: Rifle, handgun or both?

Since you fall in the "handgun only" category, please provide some specifics, such as what particular handgun (and why) how would you carry it and what ammo would you choose (and why) ?

You posted earlier that you can "keep a handgun close" which is something I'd like to hear more about from you.

.

 

[forcedestrike]

But you don't need it to survive.

If your primary mode of transportation is walking, then spare socks, along with quality footwear is essential.

If you get a blister (or multiple blisters) on your feet the size of silver dollars, your mobility is greatly affected.

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[David E]

But you don't need it to survive.

I suppose you do not need quality footwear along with quality socks to "survive"............if you plan on staying put because you can no longer endure the pain of walking.

Socks don't cost much and weigh little. Seems extremely silly to not take an extra pair or two.

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[sodak]

So much of this is situational and depends on definitions. My bob at work needs to get me home, and that's different from my bob at home which gets my family into the woods. All that is different from my neighbor Bob, who will barbeque nicely and feed us for a month!

Seriously, how much water do you plan on going through in 3 days? I figure 3 - 6 gallons, depending upon season and activity. I can't carry that.

 

[David E]

I can keep a handgun on hand (tucked in a holster) should I need it without raising attention-

You posted "keep the handgun close" earlier. This implies off-body carry. IE; inside your BOB. How fast could you deploy it? I mean, really?
Since you'd only be wearing a t-shirt, it might be difficult to hide the handgun effectively if worn on the body.

With regards to which handgun to pick-

Whichever your comfortable with. Loaded with self defense rounds (hollow point Hydra shok ect.) .

With all due respect, I'm asking what YOU chose (presuming you now own a handgun) and why you chose it.

Along those lines, you had previously mentioned that "well placed shots" will do the job. What skill level do you think is minimum for being able to do this? (perhaps you could provide a marksmanship drill to test skill level.)

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[ilbruche]

Who is this Bob guy?

Shouldn't this be over in prac-tac?

 

[forcedestrike]

You posted "keep the handgun close" earlier. This implies off-body carry. IE; inside your BOB. How fast could you deploy it? I mean, really?
Since you'd only be wearing a t-shirt, it might be difficult to hide the handgun effectively if worn on the body.

No it doesn't, it means I would keep a handgun close.

With all due respect, I'm asking what YOU chose (presuming you now own a handgun) and why you chose it.

In the UK I can't own a handgun.

France: MR-73 Revolver because its what I am used to, loaded with S&B SP's[.357] because its also what I am used to and its easy to get in Europe-

Hydro shok and special purpose ammunition is prohibitively expensive, specially if its American.

Along those lines, you had previously mentioned that "well placed shots" will do the job. What skill level do you think is minimum for being able to do this? (perhaps you could provide a marksmanship drill to test skill level.)

I am confident in my abilities to defend myself with my firearm at close range.

I am not rambo and have made no claims to my abilities with a firearm- I am good enough to be able to defend myself and as such I will leave it at that.

With regards to providing a Marksmanship drill test; my apologies but while I do my best to converse in English to an acceptable level I am by no means a native so some terms elude me and as such could you point me in the right direction?

Googling has provided this-


http://www.personaldefensetraining.com/showpage.php?target=dottorture.php

So I do those drills; Is the rating based on speed or accuracy?

When I am back in France (Currently in the UK) I will give it a shot

What sort of result should I be aiming for?

2 puns in 10seconds, BOW DOWN TO ME.

 

[forcedestrike]

Bob is a mind ninja that creates strife amongst civilized individuals.

Who is this Bob guy?

Shouldn't this be over in prac-tac?