A few questions from Chris Reeve

A couple of observations from a knife novice with a great deal of respect for the CRK product and disgust for fraud & misrepresentation of facts.

If a legitimate consumer testing lab tested an item to failure and published their findings while witholding information pertaining to specific testing protocal which produced this failure I believe there would be grounds for legal action and remedial compensation.

If some attention seeker, for whatever motive, does the same & causes provable financial damage to the manufacture of the product there is a possibility for similar legal recourse.

The firearms industry is constantly on the spot to prove their product is safe in the hands of a responsible party utilizing factory loaded ammunition in a safe & sane manner. Industry standards are developed for nearly all specifications concerning chamber dimensions & pressure values and firearms are tested with proof loads during development and for proper functioning before being sent to the market. Claims of errant detonation are subject to intensive scrutiny and nearly always proven to be fradulent based on incorrect reloading or discharging a weapon with a bullet or wad in the barrel again from improper reloaded ammunition or on rare occasions a faulty factory loaded round.

So far the knife production industry has not had this intense scrutiny and many sales are predicated by favorable reviews by users. (witness So-Lo's excellent review of the Seb 21 in this forum)

Debate flurishes on lock strength, steel quality, & so forth & this is often subjective based on individual observations of a specific item and generalizations grow. I believe it would be impossible or impractical for a manufacture to addess every adverse report individualy but here we face the issue of possible financial damage when this is published on the net.

In the instance of no mandatory, formalized, product testing we'll always have individuals testing products until failure. Their money & choice. If man can make it man can break it & this brings us to the case being discussed.

CRK knives has examined the product & evidently found undisclosed abuse and some very irrelevant "tests" that are far outside the intended use parameters of the product.

I believe that CRK has intelligently addressed the issue in this forum and the general forum consensus is the complaint is bogus & the product was abused by damage inflicted for which it was never designed.

Considering the totality of the evidence & the fact to "tester" chose to broadcast these results I believe that CRK would be within their rights to pursue a legal remedy which would be another can of worms because I believe I read that the activity originated in Poland.

A satisfactory solution is hard to figure but if it were my business & my product being trashed & think I'd seek a favorable finding in a local US Court with jurisdiction & publish the results in the miscreants hometown paper. I'd send his knife back in a plastic bag with a copy of the report of CRK's examination & encourage his to keep buying CRK products & use them for their intended purpose.

Bottom line is that there is no practical way to get the "testers" to cease this fraudlent activity unless & untill it affects them legally and financially. A letter of admonishment will never be seen on utube. CRK has made a good start.

Ruff Cobb
 
Considering the totality of the evidence & the fact to "tester" chose to broadcast these results I believe that CRK would be within their rights to pursue a legal remedy which would be another can of worms because I believe I read that the activity originated in Poland.

Ok... this is getting ridiculous here.

A satisfactory solution is hard to figure but if it were my business & my product being trashed & think I'd seek a favorable finding in a local US Court with jurisdiction & publish the results in the miscreants hometown paper. I'd send his knife back in a plastic bag with a copy of the report of CRK's examination & encourage his to keep buying CRK products & use them for their intended purpose.

Taking into consideration that Umnumzaan is CRK's tactical folder design, what purpose would that be in contrast to how was it tested ? Slicing onions and tomatoes on Sunday grill ?

The reason why the test was made wasn't to prove that the Umnumzaan is a bad design, rather to find out how much can it withstand and for what tasks the knife is suitable (thought I didn't conduct the testing myself).

But of course it's easier for the US fanboys to depreciate the test and assume that it was made by some Polish haters only to prove CRK wrong.
 
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But of course it's easier for the US fanboys to depreciate the test and assume that it was made by some Polish haters only to prove CRK wrong.[/QUOTE]

especially when the "tester" didnt reveal all the "testing" he had performed.

im neither for or against one destroying a knife for a "test".

if the testers intent was to show how much it could take, then why wasnt it shown everything it took? one cant call such a thing a test when information is witheld.

i bought a zaan after i saw that video months ago, i wasnt paying attention to anything other then how sweet the zaan looked.
 
Anything can be torn up or broken... anything.

I taught school for 28 years, 10 in a vocational school. I swear some kids could tear up a solid steel brick. :eek:

That being said, I got my first Sebbie back in 1998, and have acquired a few more through the years. Chris Reeve Knives are the best example of simple perfection I have ever seen... end of story.

I guess somewhere, somehow, in time and space it "might" be possible for a lock to fail.

I cannot for the life of me comprehend how that is possible though unless the knife has been subjected to GROSS abuse or operator error is involved.

All of mine, and every one I have ever seen; lock up tight as a drum.

I watched that video, and even before the pictures were posted of the spine by CRk; I knew there had to be more to the story.

CRK, you all make a fantastic product! Keep up the good work....
:thumbup:

Best regards,
Cp
 
Hey
I wonder how it's possible that tests Spydie Tenacious stand? Usual EDC folder for 30$ is better than tactical folder for 400$?!
 
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Hey
I wonder how it's possible that tests Spydie Tenacious stand? Usual EDC folder for 30$ is better than tactical folder for 400$?!

Funny how your first post is such a 'patting a burning dog' one. I wonder how its possible that the tenacious might not have been spine whacked that the lock was forced out of specifications. Funny how the tester might not have shown what else he did with the UMnumzaan before the knife failed.

I wonder why the only test shown of the Spyderco is where the fridge got stabbed and then some light spine whacks in another video. Those light spine taps were not done to the Umnumzaan as the blade of the Zaan was dented!

I wonder why your saying that a spyderco tenacious is better then say a strider smf/ XM18 or many other custom folders since you state that that a 30$ is better then a 400$ tactical knife.

Spyderco makes great knives but even Spyderco use a specialised machine to test lock strength rather then spine whacking the crap out their knives.

Did you even read the thread as to find out why the knife failed?
 
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Hey
I wonder how it's possible that tests Spydie Tenacious stand? Usual EDC folder for 30$ is better than tactical folder for 400$?!

Troll much?
 
Reach an agreement will be problematic if the advance shall be treated as fraudulent callers, who have deliberately damaged a knife.

Marthinus, I read a lot of reviews and tests, including all the tests that a tester.

In private, use a good knife and demands that their blockade was effective regardless of the price.
 
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Hey
I wonder how it's possible that tests Spydie Tenacious stand? Usual EDC folder for 30$ is better than tactical folder for 400$?!
Don't post and drink at the same time........ ;)
It seems to make you delusional judging from what you said here.
 
Look, this is very simple. The great thing about the market is that you needn't agree with others' (including Mr. Reeves) assessment of any product. Some people like owning certain stuff that others don't. If a product fails to satisfy; if it fails to live up to what is expected of it; if it fails to bring enjoyment to the possessor, then demand for it will wane. No company is going to get away with ripping people off in the long run. If your premise is that CRK is ripping people off, and you are correct, then I can assure you that market forces will rectify the situation in short order. But the current evidence does not support this premise--there is a healthy demand for these knives.

I won't comment on this so-called "knife test"--it's entire rational basis is transparently asinine.
 
I think I have a solution to this dilemma. I know it has been a tough road for everyone involved. I am sure that I have offered this solution in at least one other thread that I can think of.

Here is what I propose: If you believe the information provided in the process of destructive testing and are disappointed in your Umnumzaan or other Reeve knife, then send me a PM. I will offer to buy this knife from all the tactical operators that have it and don't think that it is worth the price. Now, I am going to offer 1/3 the original purchase price for a limited time. If they have been used in destructive testing of your own, I offer 1/10th their original price. (you know you want to contact me asap as this is a limited time offer) I plan on disposing of these in a proper fashion.

PM within :D


Bill
 
Reach an agreement will be problematic if the advance shall be treated as fraudulent callers, who have deliberately damaged a knife.

Marthinus, I read a lot of reviews and tests, including all the tests that a tester.

In private, use a good knife and demands that their blockade was effective regardless of the price.

Well it's obvious that English isn't Mikus' first language, but even so I can't understand the point. Regardless, I think that the market will always be the ultimate judge. If a product is perceived as fairly priced, it will sell. If not, it will die on the vine. CRK's reputation among owners FAR outshines these occasional pot-shots at their products, and they will continue to sell and win awards as always.

Can we kill this thread now, please? It's changed from being informative into something like watching a pile-up on the highway.
 
Don't post and drink at the same time........ ;)
It seems to make you delusional judging from what you said here.

My hunch is posting translating a foreign language, such as Polish, into English, using a web-based translator ? :rolleyes:
 
I stuck a Sebenza into a 2 by 4 and fired a 12 ga. double odd buck round at it at point blank range. Should I send it back to Chris for a refund. Please advise
 
I stuck a Sebenza into a 2 by 4 and fired a 12 ga. double odd buck round at it at point blank range. Should I send it back to Chris for a refund. Please advise

Depends on how odd this "double odd" buck shot is. :confused:
 
I stuck a Sebenza into a 2 by 4 and fired a 12 ga. double odd buck round at it at point blank range. Should I send it back to Chris for a refund. Please advise

I would. The 00 buckshot should represent a real world environment that any decent $30 pocketknife should be able to endure without an issue. Call them up and say "WTH! I paid $400 for this knife and I can't even blast it with 00 buckshot or cut 2x4's after cleaning my car battery posts with it. I think you should fix it for free, and send me a gift card for a Umnumzaan as well for my inconvenience! What kind of operation are you running there Chris?. What a ripoff. I have no choice but to facebook this thing and tell everyone how these knives are like, sooo overpriced and everything. Gawd!"




Now can we kill this thread?
 
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