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Good, that was something that kept me away from the ZT300.
Any opinions on Dendra Knives? They all seem very ZT200 like.
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A Short Rant About Zero Tolerance
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Good, that was something that kept me away from the ZT300.
Any opinions on Dendra Knives? They all seem very ZT200 like.
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I am not the biggest fan of D2, or goofy names printed on the blade, but they appear well built.
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I like the 0566, but why did they make it assisted?
What is wrong with assisted knives?
The market will correct itself. =)
Disagree. I like the blackwash finish. I want to see more knives with that finish.
Agree. :thumbup::thumbup:
Neither agree or disagree. but I wonder if the market lacks a mechanism to detect hidden demand for discontinued products.
Agree. Tho it's very likely ZT is working on it, and we are just an impatient bunch.
your OP is appreciated.
Really all in all it comes down to if you like a brand and/or product you buy it, and in some cases buy it again and again. If you don't like a product or company you don't buy it (unless your a bandwagon jumper and buy something you don't like just because you friend did then you have a whole other set of issues to work out) I like ZT and their products so I buy them, sure there might be a model or two that isn't my taste so they won't wind up in my collection. I see no sense ripping a company for what they do or don't do. Let the sales of their product do the speaking for you. If something don't sell they won't make it
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Really the only thing that is bugging me about ZT, is the fact they seem to do a lot of "teasing". It seems to me there is a lot of "talk" about the knives that are "coming soon" and it seems to take forever for those knives to actually be produced, IF they ever do get produced.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you really hear much from BM about new knives until they are actually available for sale. Seems a better way to go.
(Please correct me where I am wrong)
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you really hear much from BM about new knives until they are actually available for sale. Seems a better way to go.
(Please correct me where I am wrong)
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#1 Everyone Makes Fancy knives to showcase what they can do..Look at those Damascus Striders SnGs, think those were made with Hard use in mind?
#2 They offer many finishes So buyers can match there knives to there gear they have.
#3 They Do composite blades so they can offer a higher grade steel at a lower price since they're not using it for the whole blade..Minus the 0777 which used 2 amazing steels
#4 Why bring back old stuff when they're making so much more amazing knives now
#5 They did bring in new Designers, They got Todd Rexford (0801) and Dmitry Sinkevich(0454). Strider didn't really design any knives for ZT minus the Fixed blade and really didn't have to much input on the 0300s. Ken hasn't been which them in years and Hinderer has only been there for a few blades and I hope brings more awesome knives to the table.
Rant over haha
1. The assisted openers I have open more loudly than non assisted knives. It draws attention from people in public.
2. Torsion bars eventually break, which requires sending a knife in and waiting for warranty work or waiting on a new torsion bar.
3. They offer no speed advantage (like that really matters) over a manual knife, especially a manual knife with bearings.
4. The torsion bar requires much more force to close the knife than a non-assisted knife would. The knife resists closing, which is a huge disadvantage.
The cost of steel is far less than the cost of machining it. A solid non-composite S110V blade most likely would have cost less than the composite one simply because of the increased number of processes involved in making a composite blade.
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Personally, all true!
You can stock up on extra torsion bars and with practice open a SpeedSafe silently and safely.
While some people have difficulty opening a manual flipper like the ZT 0560/1 some also have difficulty closing SpeedSafe.
Personally, the latest round of production flippers in particular ZT 0801 and Spyderco Domino (both under $200) are so good that they offer the best of all worlds and thus, in my opinion, making assisted opening obsolete.
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Agreed on the assisted openers, sometimes you want to open a knife slow and silent, not with a loud "THWACK !"
And a spring is always a weak point, and what isn't there cannot break. Especially when Kershaw can produce PERFECT manual flippers, such as the JYDII.
Thats why the first ZT I'm gonna buy (as soon as I have some $$$) will be a 0200 :thumbup:
As to the OPs point, as long as they still produce their "core" knives, I don't see the problem - I don't like every knife Spyderco, BM, Kershaw,etc makes, and no one forces me to buy what I don't like. ZT has evolved as a brand, they have expanded their portfolio and became somewhat of a "premium" brand for Kershaw. And I really like some of their offerings, if only they weren't so expensive here, but thats not a Kershaw/ZT exclusive problem
And a spring is always a weak point, and what isn't there cannot break. Especially when Kershaw can produce PERFECT manual flippers, such as the JYDII.
Thats why the first ZT I'm gonna buy (as soon as I have some $$$) will be a 0200 :thumbup:
As to the OPs point, as long as they still produce their "core" knives, I don't see the problem - I don't like every knife Spyderco, BM, Kershaw,etc makes, and no one forces me to buy what I don't like. ZT has evolved as a brand, they have expanded their portfolio and became somewhat of a "premium" brand for Kershaw. And I really like some of their offerings, if only they weren't so expensive here, but thats not a Kershaw/ZT exclusive problem
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1. I'd say they are a little more loud, but when I tried my Blur with out the t-bar it wasn't anymore quiet than when assisted. I didn't use a decibel meter either so .... I have come to use my other hand and use it to pull the blade out slowly to locking in place after the detent has been overcome. Same as you would with a traditional knife. If you need it to be so discreet I'm sure you can justify using the second hand to control the speed of the opening.
2. You got me there, sometimes you have to wait for the t-bar to get sent (about a week). I haven't had to replce one from breakage yet but have ordered extras and that was the time frame. This is why I have other folders though (like most others), so It doesn't bother me.
3/4. Speed no, not really the point, although some knives I have owned are quicker than the others. Its the people that can't open a knife because they don't have proper technique as Ramzar touched on. The speed safe also helps hold the blade in place as a detent so you don't have it deploy in your pocket. Same with closing, it helps so you don't slip and close the edge on your fingers. Thats where the "safe" in speedsafe comes from. Disadvantage? You mean like a Buck 110 it resists closing too. That seems like a silly reason to not like a blade. With practice you can easily close a speedsafe one handed or use your leg or arm against the spine if you feel the urge.
Bottom line is It isn't going anywhere anytime soon especially on the mainstream knives like the 0350 and 0566. Pretty sure there is a detent hole on the upcoming 0566 from my sources so that negates this whole topic, just remove and enjoy!
as for the composite, Kai seems to disagree with you so I don't know what else to say?
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I think some forum members tend to forget that we dont represent the largest cross section of the KAI market share....unfortunately for them we represent the LOUDEST market. They have said time and time again that the market dictates their offerings. Most "non enthusiasts" are pretty impressed when I show them a composite blade, assisted opener, or a Carbon Fiber knife. Many finishes offer different options to different customers, this can vary based on intended use. For anyone to expect that a major corporation is going to change their market strategy based on a few posts from a small cross section of their customer base is obsurd. They have however continously shown that they watch & listen. They still offer the hard use knives people crave, and are developing new models all the time. If you dont like assisted knives then dont buy one....that is more effective than constantly whining about how much you hate them. Have a complaint that you cannot de-assist a knife....guess what, you are part of a forum with makers that have the ability to de-assist it for you. Dont like this years crop of new models....they will have more next year. I really dont understand the rise in all these threads where people feel the need to "get something off their chest".
Here is something i need to get off my chest. I loved looking at the kershaw forum every day. I made great connections,learned valuable info, and was able to profesionally offer criticism & suggestions. That is gone because of a small minority of loud whiners. lets not continue to loos other great forms of communication with our manufacturers because the same BS keeps coming up.
Here is something i need to get off my chest. I loved looking at the kershaw forum every day. I made great connections,learned valuable info, and was able to profesionally offer criticism & suggestions. That is gone because of a small minority of loud whiners. lets not continue to loos other great forms of communication with our manufacturers because the same BS keeps coming up.
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Just putting my 2 cents in here, but I haven't been interested enough to buy any of ZT's regular lineup yet (on the fence about the 0200 though). But I'm in line or waiting to buy the 777, 0454, & the 0600. I personally don't like black or stonewashed finishes & prefer satin ones. For me, ZT hit the bullseye with their recent higher end folders.
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As a collector, I would say my opinion would be the opposite of the OP.
I need many variety's
I love 'special' knives from any company.
Different handles, colors, inlays, deviated designs, special runs, collaborations, I gotta have.
If ZT did not do this, then I would probably only own one or two.
Cheers
I need many variety's
I love 'special' knives from any company.
Different handles, colors, inlays, deviated designs, special runs, collaborations, I gotta have.
If ZT did not do this, then I would probably only own one or two.
Cheers
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I love my new ZT 0121, even if it does stink of Strider. I don't own any ZT folders, as I'm not the biggest folder fan the world has ever known. Still, this may make me a believer.
Thanks.
That wasn't my point. My point was other people labeling the OP as a hater because of his opinion. That strikes me as being a bit more defensive than is probably healthy.
I did and I agree with it.
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