A2 Steel Update

gatorsnake said:
FACT it is a LIE to advertise a product and not release said product.
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o_O ? What possible motive could CS have to purposely deceive customers about their intention to market the A2 steel ? :confused:

CS is now basically only a design/development , testing and marketing company . Or so I believe .

They don't make anything themselves and are entirely dependent on their suppliers / vendors for the materials , tools and labor for manufacturing .

Maybe CS could have handled this issue better , but I can't imagine any advantage gained by them knowingly making a false promise .
 
Smiling said:
I think 3V is way tougher than many can even ask for, 1V would be insanley tough tho, but also less edge holding would place it closer to S7.
Looking at edge retention, toughness and corrosion resistancem the 3V is pretty well rounded steel.

People that need that much toughness that 3V isn't enough so they need 1V are pretty rare.
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If you manage to break properly heat treated 3V with no QC issues, you’re probably using the knife wrong, hahaha.
 
Cold Steel did not lie or intend to give false information as they really did work on getting A2 and they tried to make these knives in A2 steel. Their testing just proved the A2 they acquired in Taiwan to be subpar.
And Demko did mention that after making them in 4034 and 3V they will still try to go for A2 version as well.
Also, if you want a premium and don't mind paying for the best, then you should be happy as 3V will outperform A2 in all, toughness, edge retention and corrosion resistance.

I also understand why Lynn didn't want to announce the 3V versions right away, but just gave us a hint about 3 new knives in 3V. Reasons being the fact that 3V is very hard to machine, those blades will be 8mm thick and year 2020. is year 2020. and we all know what's the situation in the world this year.
 
Smiling said:
Cold Steel did not lie or intend to give false information as they really did work on getting A2 and they tried to make these knives in A2 steel. Their testing just proved the A2 they acquired in Taiwan to be subpar.
And Demko did mention that after making them in 4034 and 3V they will still try to go for A2 version as well.
Also, if you want a premium and don't mind paying for the best, then you should be happy as 3V will outperform A2 in all, toughness, edge retention and corrosion resistance.

I also understand why Lynn didn't want to announce the 3V versions right away, but just gave us a hint about 3 new knives in 3V. Reasons being the fact that 3V is very hard to machine, those blades will be 8mm thick and year 2020. is year 2020. and we all know what's the situation in the world this year.
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I tend to agree. Lying is the customer paying for a $180 A2 Trailmaster and finding out it’s actually made of 4034 steel. That’s some Ganzo-level brilliance there. At the very least, CS is transparent about the shift to 4034. I’m still not a fan of that shift, but I can respect it. The 3V option is one redeeming value.
 
BTW, I emailed Cold Steel and requested to be placed on a wait list for these items. If anyone else is interested, drop them a note and let them know that you care.

n2s
 
If they're using 3V with Peter's HT, they could honestly go thinner than the old 5\16", or I guess the 8mm Demko mentioned, which is what 1/3"? A 1/4" blade should still be overkill and would lighten the load and allow better cutting performance I would think.
 
jdk1 said:
If they're using 3V with Peter's HT, they could honestly go thinner than the old 5\16", or I guess the 8mm Demko mentioned, which is what 1/3"? A 1/4" blade should still be overkill and would lighten the load and allow better cutting performance I would think.
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5/16" = 7.9375mm, so essentially 8mm
 
Your right, but it would change the knife... I dont know historically how size accurate the older ones stack up but i thought they were the same?
 
As far as I know, all Trail Masters and Recon Scouts have always been 5/16" thick.
 
Not that it has any bearing here, but I'd rather have a 3/16" high saber ground Recon Scout for woods use.
 
jdk1 said:
Not that it has any bearing here, but I'd rather have a 3/16" high saber ground Recon Scout for woods use.
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Look for an old Bush Ranger...not sure about the grind, but is 3/16" and 7 1/2"
 
jlauffer said:
Look for an old Bush Ranger...not sure about the grind, but is 3/16" and 7 1/2"
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I did like the looks of that one a lot!

not2sharp said:
OK, but then it wouldn't be a Recon Scout.2 s
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They could call it the LRRP Dog:D

I like the 5/16" spine of the Gurkha khuk, but it's a big chopper. In the old steels, while maybe not necessary, that thickness was nice insurance. 3V makes it less important. But, changing these things affects handling, balance and aesthetics. I guess my point is that 3V opens up a lot of new possibilities for new and old designs. One thing about CS, they're not afraid to try new things or go out on a limb. That could be a recipe for some real winners.
 
Totally off-topic, but the khukuri fans here should also check out makers from Nepal. Kailash is a personal favorite of mine, but I’ve also got some solid units from The Khukuri House. It’s a great way to support a tradecraft that’s been around hundreds of years.

CS is still my go-to though for workhorse folders and medium-sized fixed blades.
 
not2sharp said:
OK, but then it wouldn't be a Recon Scout.

n2s
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Recon Light and recon heavy, it's an idea anyway. So many knives and I've had 3 different recons over the years. I gifted two carbon v's away and sold my san mai version. I guess I should have kept that one the way the prices are these days. It's a good size knife to carry in the wild. I guess a 3v version is in my future and one knife I should hold on too when I get one.
 
gatorsnake said:
sorry I thought the forum was open to all on open and honest discussions on the topic
and personal attacks were not allowed???

Generally I do not have the time for the forum and issues in general are not that significant to ME.
Do I need to remind the customers here the A2 was advertised in 2019 YEAR BEFORE circumstances in the world suddenly changed?? If you read my previous post I encourage and IN MY OPINION products should be ready to release when they are advertised AS COLD STEEL DOES AT TIMES: NOT ALWAYS.
I applaud Mr. Demko taking his time as a matter of FACT
Sat, Aug 15 at 5:34 PM I emailed Mr. Demko to tell him about this post and his name being used in the post.
I have no idea if my email was seen, read or any influence over the matter what so ever.

The fact is this Cold Steel advertised products they never released.
FACT it is a LIE to advertise a product and not release said product.
FACT They are now promoting replacement products with no release time.
FACT As of last weekend many Cold steel distributors you could still pre order A2 steel products
OPINION This leads me to believe that distributors had not been told the cancelation.
Don't take my opinion the FACTS stand on their own merit good or bad.
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Dude, you're on a witch-hunt. Plain and simple.

Cold Steel announced that they were going to make flagship knives in 4034, which many of us found troubling. They took time to address our concerns, discuss the issues with us, and finally to offer the knives in question in 3V for those of use who wanted a better steel and are willing to pay for it.

Yet, you are going to keep harping on them because they are not keeping to a schedule that will make you happy... At this point, you have an axe to grind for some reason and it's obvious that nothing they can do will make you happy.

You can keep ranting, but I am no longer paying attention to you... and I am sure that the same thing can be said for others here.

Give it a rest, man. Go find a knife company or a hobby that makes you happy.
 
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