About the contest thread

taurn said:
and what are these "oh shit" supplies Munky88?
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First aid kit, map, compass, cell phone.

If someone can explain to me convincingly how carrying around essentially dead weight gives me an advantage I may be willing to reconsider.
As it stands the only place I may be able to do this is in an unknown area not to close to an out.
It would be a poor survival choice to willingly put yourself in a situation you cannot get out of if you need to. If this was in my backyard it would be different, its not.


Look, I'm talking about putting this stuff at the bottom of a small camera bag, only actually using the Altoids and knife. Are you guys planning to carry your cameras bare?
 
crowdog said:
If a lighter can fit in your tin then its there, same with a striker and so own. i feel if you can fit a blow torch in your tin then its yours. i dont remember any thing pertaining to lighters in your tin not being allowed.
please correct me if im misunderstanding.
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a well stocked survival tin would include at least a bic Mini in this day and age.but if we say no lighters im still in.
 
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Munky88 said:
First aid kit, map, compass, cell phone.

If someone can explain to me convincingly how carrying around essentially dead weight gives me an advantage I may be willing to reconsider.
As it stands the only place I may be able to do this is in an unknown area not to close to an out.
It would be a poor survival choice to willingly put yourself in a situation you cannot get out of if you need to.
If I can find a place to do this, I'm doing it by my rules in the spirit of the guide lines.

Look, I'm talking about putting this stuff at the bottom of a small camera bag, only actually using the Altoids and knife. Are you guys planning to carry your cameras bare?
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The spirit of this exercise is precisely as you have indicated fearing, this is not a situation any of us want to be in when you’re in the middle of nowhere, and in need of real help, your not allotted many if any mistakes. All this was to be is an ample testing of your preparedness and ability of handling a similar situation with skill and resolve within a somewhat controlled manner. If the only way you have to enter is to throw yourself into a very real life or death dilemma then you are the very risk that has caused this to fall outside of RAT responsibility and I would say it is for you to gamble your percentages of personal wellbeing over a training exercise.
That dead weight is tools. Used or unused they do a lot for a piece of mind, which is the most important factor when dealing with a stress of such nature. So there for your being alleviated one of the most grueling and deciding factors when in regards to self reliance. That mental edge, that true survivors have when everything else is faraway and lost.
I plan on keeping my brothers camera in my pants pocket, along with some batteries.
 
I make a movement toward allowing as forestated, anything you can fit in your standard altoids tin. (lighters included)
 
I would think we should stay as close to the originals as possible.
Real simple rules:

A blade (one only), anything you can fit into an Altoids tin (standard size for the all the smart people! ), standard clothing for the season and environment, notepad and pencil, camera and extra batteries. If you need to take a tripod for self-portraits, no problem. Cell phone and/or PLB for emergencies.

1) Kit innovation.
2) Actual use of the blade and the kit's tools in the wilds.
3) The most survival tasks accomplished while in the wilds for 3 days (shelter, fire, food, etc).
4) Photo documentation and note taking of the whole trip.

One man or women in, alone as though they were thrown out of the car after work one day.
 
This is really good discussion guys. I like to see folks get serious about wilderness survival. Like I have previously mentioned somewhere in these threads, we all talk the game but when it comes to actually doing it, it's a different story. All of you have my respect! I'm looking forward to what yall come back with.
 
Crowdog i agree with you but a lighter makes it way to easy fire is a key part of survival.
A fire steal is more then whats needed. If you can fit a steel in your tin i have no problem with that. I'm a smoker myself and do not plan on smokeing for this that is something that can be used as a cruch for strees. Strees in a big down fall to surviving
 
I'm going tomorrow :D
Got the whole week to do what I want ;)

BTW, I don't even own a big knife yet, just a buck 110-ish knife and a Buck Strider SBMF(so not a real strider).

I'm trying to get a real fixed bladed right now from some of my aquintances, not a great succes until now!

Greetings,
 
If you can fit a lighter in your tin, then I say it's cool. Those 2 inch ones are even better for room. I'm going to ponder more about Munky's stuff.

Good luck Hornady, what else are you bringing with you?
 
Is there a deadline on when the trip must be complete? I'll be out of town for the next couple of weekends. I'd like to get in on this if I can. What ever the final rules are, y'all just let me know. This could be coooool.
 
I think we're complicating things unnecessarily, guys. No one's saying you have to be airdropped deep in the Ouachita Mountains to do this. I'm gonna be by a little creek outside of town with my truck a hundred or so yards away. I'm not planning on using my truck or anything in it, but it will be there. If Munky wants to take some emergency gear with him, I say let him. If he uses anything outside of what's in the tin, then let that be considered in the judging. I say the lighter's cool. I'm not planning on taking one, but that's more to challenge myself. Once I'm done with this exercise/exorcism, I'm gonna stick a Bic mini in the tin. A lighter is a perfectly reasonable thing to have in an EDC survival tin. That's my thoughts on the matter.
 
I think I'd best start smaller anyways. a PSK overnighter in the woods behind my house. I'll still post pics.

But please guys, carry at least a basic first aid kit. It's not like it's going to change your actions. Chopping off a finger is still chopping off a finger, you're not going to be inclined to do it on purpose.
 
Munky88 said:
But please guys, carry at least a basic first aid kit.
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I'll second that. At least carry something you could make a preassure bandage with.
One trauma bandage is part of my edc. (Well, I only ever used that on other hikers I came across, but those folks were really glad I had one.)
 
luckykitty said:
I'll second that. At least carry something you could make a preassure bandage with.
One trauma bandage is part of my edc. (Well, I only ever used that on other hikers I came across, but those folks were really glad I had one.)
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we will be wearing clothing.;)
 
Munky88 said:
I think I'd best start smaller anyways. a PSK overnighter in the woods behind my house. I'll still post pics.

But please guys, carry at least a basic first aid kit. It's not like it's going to change your actions. Chopping off a finger is still chopping off a finger, you're not going to be inclined to do it on purpose.
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Hey, that sounds like a reasonable choice in your situation. Remember, get lots of pictures and I’m interested in the mental affects while you’re out there as to see if any correlations will be apparent between everyone that is staying out in the wild. So please keep a good journal of all and any thoughts. I extend that request to everyone, thanks.
 
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taurn said:
If you can fit a lighter in your tin, then I say it's cool. Those 2 inch ones are even better for room. I'm going to ponder more about Munky's stuff.

Good luck Hornady, what else are you bringing with you?
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I agree, it should be acceptable to carry a lighter in your tin, although it is important to remember the judging criteria does cover that points will be given based on the following
1) Kit innovation.
2) Actual use of the blade and the kit's tools in the wilds.
3) The most survival tasks accomplished while in the wilds for 3 days (shelter, fire, food, etc).
4) Photo documentation and note taking of the whole trip.

So therefore to start a fire by as many means possible is going to accumulate more points for you ultimately, thus leading you toward a victory in regards to a formal judging of sorts.
 
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glefic said:
Crowdog i agree with you but a lighter makes it way to easy fire is a key part of survival.
A fire steal is more then whats needed. If you can fit a steel in your tin i have no problem with that. I'm a smoker myself and do not plan on smokeing for this that is something that can be used as a cruch for strees. Strees in a big down fall to surviving
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So what if it does, a knife makes it way to easy to cut and thus perform a life saving procedure. As for a Fire Steel being what is needed, I don’t see the difference between the two in the pretence of your comment. Hear me out on this one, they are both tools to facilitate spark which is followed by flame. As for this being in the spirit of survival on minimal tools i.e. ‘ what can be fit in an altoids tin,’ I feel it is best to just let it ride in the simplest pretext possible, “if it will fit, you can carry it!”
Kind of an aside but a lighter and a Fire Steel are really the same means to the same goal. I, at least in my region am more likely to see myself or someone else getting stranded with a lighter as their means of fire if they were to have one at all.
Do understand I will be experimenting with as many means of starting fire as I am capable of doing.
 
Ok I have decided to do it. Here is what I will be taking:

One camper to sleep in at night
One bag to potty in (oh shit!)
One cooler stocked with all the essentials (soda, bacon, potato chips, etc..)
One oversized sleeping bag
One pillow
One laptop to watch DVD's on

Oh yeah, and an altoids tin, I like the cinnamon ones. I don't know why I need these though, no one will care about my breath out in the woods alone....
 
canis-lupus said:
Ok I have decided to do it. Here is what I will be taking:

One camper to sleep in at night
One bag to potty in (oh shit!)
One cooler stocked with all the essentials (soda, bacon, potato chips, etc..)
One oversized sleeping bag
One pillow
One laptop to watch DVD's on

Oh yeah, and an altoids tin, I like the cinnamon ones. I don't know why I need these though, no one will care about my breath out in the woods alone....
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:thumbup::cool:
 
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