Accused of selling a fake Sebbie...

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Well, that looks like a real sebenza... He could be clueless about knives, or he could just be trying to rip you off... I'm thinking it's the latter. Definitely film yourself opening the package if he sends it back to you.

On the topic of ebay, I'd recommend only buying from authorized dealers or people I know from here (and to never sell knives). Plus, ebay just gives the seller the finger in most cases like this.
 
Even if you state "No refunds" and/or "No returns" in your Bay listing, there are posts ALL OVER the Bay stating:

-If Seller does not offer returns, you are still covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee if you received an item that is not as described in the listing.-

Ajack60 said:
Did you state in your ad "no refunds" ?
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I work loss-prevention for a major online retailer and am very familiar with ebay's procedures.

All sizes and types of retailers occasionally end up with counterfeits in inventory. In this case, CRK acknowledges there are copies nearly indistinguishable from the real thing (http://chrisreeve.com/Counterfeits). You purchased from a small time operation with lax return controls dealing in high value, commonly counterfeited items--it is possible you purchased, owned and sold a damn good fake. Did you ever disassemble your Sebbie and/or notice anything 'off' about it?

It is more likely the buyer is trying to get a free knife.

In either case, ebay will side with the buyer, period, regardless of evidence: you need to start thinking on how you can minimize damage. Ebay may have the buyer 'destroy the fake' or 'ship the item back to you' but in both instances there is nothing stopping a switch (and a video unboxing of 'a counterfeit' when ebay expects you to be unboxing 'a counterfeit' is not much in the way of evidence.) Likely the only way you'll get back the item you shipped is if the buyer is honest and you unknowingly sold a fake Sebbie. If this goes to ebay you will likly lose the money and the knife.

I know it sucks but see if buyer is willing to accept a partial refund, it may be your only chance to walk away with any profit whatsoever. Real or fake, its a good looking blade so the buyer may be willing to drop the claim for the right price. I would start at 50% but accept anything the buyer offers.
 
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In your ad you stated, "Seller does not offer returns."
The knife looks legit to me.
I think you will have a good case with eBay in proving you sold a legit item.
And yes, sell here instead.
 
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I have purchased more than one CRK and a number of other knives from caledon2's b&m store in Toronto...they are great guys to deal with and take pride in what they do, chances of getting a fake from them are pretty much zero...been going to their store for a couple years now...i think they are legit as can be...even seen guys from the Toronto Emergency Task Force, which is like our local SWAT team, shopping there....
if I'm not mistaken, their storefront, S&R is also listed on the CRK official dealer list...
 
Peter Hartwig said:
Try to get the dealer involved. Since they are an Ebay dealer they may carry more clout than you.
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Even if you establish a sebenza was purchased and that same sebenza was the one listed on ebay, there is no evidence--let alone proof--of what was actually shipped to the buyer.

Lets assume the knife is real and the buyer is trying to scam. It's going to be the buyers word vs the sellers and ebay will side with the buyer every time. Ebay may make the buyer 'return' the knife for a refund, but good luck getting back what you sent.

Realistically you probably wont get your money or your (real) sebenza back, if you can get the buyer to accept a partial refund (even if you walk with $50) it's a lot better than nothing.
 
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Definitely looks legit to me. I would highly suspect buyers remorse or trickery..... ( buying a real one only to return a fake ). It's been done before. I would deal with eBay directly. There is definitely some issue with the buyer and I would not do anything until extensively working it out.

I have sold a few knives over the years and have delt with trickery. I sold a mint sebenza and buyer said there was a scuff and wanted a $35 return.

The other, he ground the knife edge on his grinder then said he was upset it would not hold an edge.

It sucks because eBay freezes the funds till it's worked out and that is nerve wracking.
 
cali4me said:
......I would start at 50% but accept anything the buyer offers.
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cali4me said:
......Realistically you probably wont get your money or your (real) sebenza back, if you can get the buyer to accept a partial refund (even if you walk with $50) it's a lot better than nothing.
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Its rather unfortunate that your first two post after just joining the forum could come across as either very helpful or very suspicious due to the way your pulling the op. It would be nice if you're not the buyer and just a really helpful bloke that knows what he's talking about.
 
Jimbo75 said:
Its rather unfortunate that your first two post after just joining the forum could come across as either very helpful or very suspicious due to the way your pulling the op. It would be nice if you're not the buyer and just a really helpful bloke that knows what he's talking about.
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I agree.... Seems odd...!!!!
 
Jimbo75 said:
Its rather unfortunate that your first two post after just joining the forum could come across as either very helpful or very suspicious due to the way your pulling the op. It would be nice if you're not the buyer and just a really helpful bloke that knows what he's talking about.
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Thank you. Just a 'helpful bloke', long time lurker. I have a legal background and deal with shysters for a living, this is the first thread I came across where I actually felt like I knew more about the topic than... anyone.

Looks like I am not the only detective on here though. ;)

EDIT: I do come at this from a different prospective--and not that of the buyer, but--that of ebay's. My work lends itself to this situation and I understand how they will respond. However, I think it's unwise to take anyone's advice at face value regardless who they 'claim' to be; you need to decide if what I say makes sense and fits the facts.
 
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Jimbo75 said:
Its rather unfortunate that your first two post after just joining the forum could come across as either very helpful or very suspicious due to the way your pulling the op
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Haha that's a good eye Jimbo75, I didn't make that connection. Idk, I'm just happy to see everyone's opinion.. It helps. Also, does anyone think I should direct the buyer to this thread?
 
I'm not insinuating anything cali4me but I just had to point out the funny coincidence that the buyer is from California haha
 
Peter Hartwig said:
? does Ebay have any way to get the money back from the OP other than shutting down his account?
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Yeah, eBay holds my money for three days starting from the day the buyer receives the product. If the buyer files a claim within those three days, the funds are held until the issue is resolved. If not, they probably will take it from me. Unless maybe I have proof showing that I did not breech eBays terms of agreement in the transaction (sell a fake)
 
As suggested, your buyer is accusing the store where you got yhe knife of selling you a fake. I would think they would be eager to help establish the real facts.
 
I'm not a Chris Reeves expert by any means but if you look at your microfiber cloth and compare it to the photo below of a genuine microfiber cloth there are very obvious difference in the font, spacing, quality, etc. In my opinion I don't know if the knife is fake but that microfiber cloth is definitely a fake. If the two came together then there is a high likelihood that they are both fake.

Photo linked from knifecenter.com:
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Mad Mensch said:
I'm not a Chris Reeves expert by any means but if you look at your microfiber cloth and compare it to the photo below of a genuine microfiber cloth there are very obvious difference in the font, spacing, quality, etc. In my opinion I don't know if the knife is fake but that microfiber cloth is definitely a fake. If the two came together then there is a high likelihood that they are both fake.

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I have to disagree with this. In my very quick comparison, the cloth looks completely legit to me. Are there any specifics that you can point out?

The handwriting on the birthcard matches one of mine, as well as many I have seen here on the exchange.

Edit: Chris Reeve doesn't produce a Small Regular Sebenza every single day. They have tracked down knives for me before in the past and if you call them, they will be able to tell you if they produced Small Sebenza's on February 25th and who the dealer was that bought it from them. This is not to say the card can't be copied though...
 
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