Accused of selling a fake Sebbie...

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Corskin said:
I have to disagree with this. In my very quick comparison, it looks completely legit to me. Are there any specifics that you can point out? The handwriting on the birthcard matches one of mine as well as many I have seen here on the exchange.
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There are 2 specifics I can point out:

1) the CR logo on the fake has the "CR" lettering practically touching the outer circle. On the genuine the "CR" and the circle have a significant amount of space in between.

2) The "R" on "Reeves" on the upper left corner of the letter you can see that there is a significant difference in the font itself. Inside the "R" on the genuine cloth there is a raised "island", on the fake there is no "island" and it is flat. You can also see this same discrepancy throughout the entire text such as between the "R" and "e". See below..

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The only other explanation of this would be if Chris Reeves changed the logo or the manufacturing process of the cloth over time. This is something that someone with more experience with these knives can probably answer.
 
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Mad Mensch said:
There are 2 specifics I can point out:

1) the CR logo on the fake has the "CR" lettering practically touching the outer circle. On the genuine the "CR" and the circle have a significant amount of space in between.

2) The "R" on "Reeves" on the upper left corner of the letter you can see that there is a significant difference in the font itself. It's hard to explain so I'm putting together a photo now and will upload in a few.
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The plot thickens...
 
I really hope you get this resolved and you get your money or knife back. I've thought before, what if this happened to me? I figure if we can afford these knives we can probably afford to lose one. I know this is not what we want to think, but most of us own more than one CRK. Some of us own 3-10 and some have many times that. So if I lose one I figure it's part of the game. Forgive me if this sounds to harsh but it's my thinking.
 
One more idea(know they haven't helped so far)- Have Ebay check this guys history to see if maybe there is a pattern of fake claims. If they can find a pattern maybe they will side with you
 
Mad Mensch said:
There are 2 specifics I can point out:

1) the CR logo on the fake has the "CR" lettering practically touching the outer circle. On the genuine the "CR" and the circle have a significant amount of space in between.

2) The "R" on "Reeves" on the upper left corner of the letter you can see that there is a significant difference in the font itself. Inside the "R" on the genuine cloth there is a raised "island", on the fake there is no "island" and it is flat. You can also see this same discrepancy throughout the entire text such as between the "R" and "e". See below..

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The only other explanation of this would be if Chris Reeves changed the logo or the manufacturing process of the cloth over time. This is something that someone with more experience with these knives can probably answer.
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cali4me said:
The plot thickens...
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I thought it looked perfectly fine, so I dug out several of my blue cloths to check it out.

There are subtle differences in the logo is several of them, both in size and in print. The newest one of mine, from my "Tanked" made March 17, 2014....has a cloth that looks pretty much identical to the one in the eBay auction in question.

The knife/cloth is legit, in my eyes.
 
This cloth came from Knives Ship Free with my Mnandi:

Note: I also have one with the raised portion in the middle of the R.

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A couple of my cards:

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The card with the Ebay Knife:

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What if the OP is actually....KEVIN JOHN himself(dun dun dun)?!? And fishing for everyone's expert opinions for his next bastardized knock off?????

Just kidding.

I will be very interested in how this plays out.

It would be cool if you could do an unboxing video if only for us...assuming there is anything to unbox
 
cali4me said:
I work loss-prevention for a major online retailer and am very familiar with ebay's procedures.

All sizes and types of retailers occasionally end up with counterfeits in inventory. In this case, CRK acknowledges there are copies nearly indistinguishable from the real thing (http://chrisreeve.com/Counterfeits). You purchased from a small time operation with lax return controls dealing in high value, commonly counterfeited items--it is possible you purchased, owned and sold a damn good fake. Did you ever disassemble your Sebbie and/or notice anything 'off' about it?

It is more likely the buyer is trying to get a free knife.

In either case, ebay will side with the buyer, period, regardless of evidence: you need to start thinking on how you can minimize damage. Ebay may have the buyer 'destroy the fake' or 'ship the item back to you' but in both instances there is nothing stopping a switch (and a video unboxing of 'a counterfeit' when ebay expects you to be unboxing 'a counterfeit' is not much in the way of evidence.) Likely the only way you'll get back the item you shipped is if the buyer is honest and you unknowingly sold a fake Sebbie. If this goes to ebay you will likly lose the money and the knife.

I know it sucks but see if buyer is willing to accept a partial refund, it may be your only chance to walk away with any profit whatsoever. Real or fake, its a good looking blade so the buyer may be willing to drop the claim for the right price. I would start at 50% but accept anything the buyer offers.
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That is not quite what they said, infact it's just not what they said. :)

"We have seen, first hand, a copy of the Ti-Lock that, in a photograph, looks just like ours".
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That was followed by:

"To someone who didn’t know, this might look like a legitimate knife".
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There are a few "buts" and "wells" in there, it's not just a case of there being exact copies out there because there are not "nearly indistinguishable" knives out there. They always have obvious issues to those that know what they are looking at and for. This odd scare mongering claiming that there are fake knives that can't be seperated from real is not true and frankly only panders to the ebay scammers cause.

The OP has done nothing wrong here and is being scammed, he should not accept any deals or half way meets in any way, shape or form. All that needs to happen is hat he gets his knife back, refunds the money and resells it.....here's hoping all turnes out well.

I haven't used ebay at all after they banned knife (and related item) sales in the UK. I have a number of issues with how ebay do things and just won't use them. Walking away from ebay is the very best way to avoid problems on ebay. ;)
 
Moelns12 said:
Haha that's a good eye Jimbo75, I didn't make that connection. Idk, I'm just happy to see everyone's opinion.. It helps. Also, does anyone think I should direct the buyer to this thread?
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Unless you are certain the buyer is 'honest' I strongly recommend not linking this thread. Information here could be used to their avantage as much as yours.

(If I am the buyer then this is a moot point becuase I have the link already ;) )
 
Have you checked the record on the buyer available to you(presume there is something ). If he has an otherwise good record, he may have gotten cold feet or be misinformed, and you may be getting your old knife back, which sounds pretty good right now
 
I have bought and sold many used knives on e-bay. Mostly Case and Kershaws. I have been completely honest with the descriptions and pics. I had one guy return a knife. And it was in far worse condition when I got it back. I gave him a full refund anyway. But the amount of money you are talking about is far more substantial. E-bay normally sides with the buyer BUT you can call them on the phone directly to plead your case. Good Luck
 
Haze said:
That is not quite what they said, infact it's just not what they said. :)



That was followed by:



There are a few "buts" and "wells" in there, it's not just a case of there being exact copies out there because there are not "nearly indistinguishable" knives out there. They always have obvious issues to those that know what they are looking at and for. This odd scare mongering claiming that there are fake knives that can't be seperated from real is not true and frankly only panders to the ebay scammers cause.

The OP has done nothing wrong here and is being scammed, he should not accept any deals or half way meets in any way, shape or form. All that needs to happen is hat he gets his knife back, refunds the money and resells it.....here's hoping all turnes out well.

I haven't used ebay at all after they banned knife (and related item) sales in the UK. I have a number of issues with how ebay do things and just won't use them. Walking away from ebay is the very best way to avoid problems on ebay. ;)
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I am no expert on CRK and their authenticity but my point remains: OP will likely receive a fake if this is a scam and will (obviously) receive a fake (on the off chance) buyer is telling the truth. You are mistaking a an unfortunate truth for 'scare mongering'.

OP did nothing wrong and it is not fair. Ebay does not care, that is the harsh reality only a few (experienced) posters seem to understand.
 
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Definatley record your unboxing, only for your safety.
It doesnt matter, if you say no refunds. Ebay will refund the seller there full price.

Ive had this happen to me with other products as a seller. And i knew it was brand new. And as described authentic.
It doesnt matter how precise your desciption is ebay will always favor the buyer.
But ebay still backed the buyer. Which is nice for him. But sucks for you especially if you offer free shipping. Which means your out of the shipping costs. So it that way its always better to charge for shipping.

You might not get a fake., chances are the buyer just has remorse on his sale.
 
Peter Hartwig said:
One more idea(know they haven't helped so far)- Have Ebay check this guys history to see if maybe there is a pattern of fake claims. If they can find a pattern maybe they will side with you
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This is definitely worth a look but as it's easy to have multiple Ebay accounts I would be talking to PayPal about the Ebay account/s linked to your buyers PayPal account to see if there is a pattern of fake claims. I have found PayPal to be very helpful and proactive with fraud related cases.
 
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This has now gotten too confusing. I used Google Search and find both kinds, so I yield to those who know about the actual knives.
 
The whole system is based on honor. Not a good thing for honest sellers dealing with sketchy buyers. Wish I could offer more guidance, but all I can say is good luck. You have your dignity--that's worth a lot more than a sebenza, and certainly not something the buyer has. Best of luck.
 
If it is possible, my advice would be to offer a full refund on the condition that the funds be returned after the knife is received in your hands. I would obviously take a video of the unboxing as well.
 
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