Aggressive dogs outdoors

Esav Benyamin said:
That's not rational. If your dog came bounding up to me and I raised my cane and rammed her in the chest, knocking her back, and chasing her off -- you would shoot me? Ridiculous.
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No first of all you said you walk in an area thats posted "no dogs allowed" so I wouldn't be there. Second She wouldn't bound up to you that's why she doesn't have to be leashed on a mountain climb. Your missing the point I'm talking about technical mountain climbs not a romp around in the park or on main street. I guess that comment was a little out of line and I apologize I mean if someone just kicked my dog cause she was near them and wasn't paying attention to them and they did it just because they don't like dogs than yea it's gonna be a problem. Get it?

I understand your disabled and you worrying about being knocked over and hurt I would be to but that's why you walk in a no dogs allowed park. So don't worry we will never meet.
 
VTguy17 said:
That's understandable but I'm not talking about a park where dogs aren't allowed. I completely get where your coming from with that though. However It's not irresponsible to have a friendly well behaved dog off leash on a hiking trail where it's permitted. Now I know everyone thinks there dog is well behaved just like most people think there kids are the best. We can argue this all night but I hike steep rocky terrain with my dog on a regular basis and I need both hands and having her on a constant leash isn't necessary or possible. She's also a therapy dog 3 days a week and knows how to act around people and if she didn't I would loeave her at home or leash her.

I'm not trying to argue right or wrong here just know your pet, believe me I hate a hyper big dog jumping in my face just as much as the next guy

people do a hell of a lot worse things than animals, I'm more worried about the people you encounter in the woods and on the trail than the dog with a backpack and it's tongue hanging out.

Not everyones a dog person I get that, I'm not a kid or cat person but unfortunately I encounter them everyday it's life.
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Me too and you are the type I worry about. You shouldn't carry a weapon when your out with your unleashed friend.
 
Codger_64 said:
First, be sure you are right then go ahead. Defending oneself and others from an uncontrolled attacking dog would be a good defense. Wantonly killing a service animal because you are skeered is another matter. Similar laws cover police dogs, SAR dogs and other service animals. Though obviously not in Australia.
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actually, assaulting a Police or Customs dog in Australia carries the same penalties as assaulting a police officer with the added bonus that you can also face a cruelty to animals charge on top.

i live in the Outback. wild dogs (along with wild cats, foxes, pigs, goats, camels, buffalo and rabbits) are all introduced feral pest species and they all cause massive damage to the landscape.
 
I see the concern the OP had by posting this and I've been in similar (multiple, quite a few, too many) situations but once again we have a thread the really has nothing to do with W&SS. As with past bear, batoning and dog threads, this has gone south. There will never be a "common ground" when it comes to bears, batoning and dogs. These threads just push members further apart and that is not what W&SS is about. This is why many long time members have fled for other forums where it isn't tolerated.

It's been proven over and over that nothing good comes from these threads. I vote this thread be locked down and future ones be locked as soon as they are noticed by mods.
 
VTguy17 said:
if you don't like my dog who doesn't bother you or jump on you or pay any attention to you leashed or unleashed on the trail than chances are I don't like you either so we have something in common. Maybe some of you "your irresponsible" folks should be the one's on a leash and supervised either that or just don't leave your safe bubble. If you work with your animal and treat them right they deserve to be able to walk on a trail next to you without a rope tied to there neck. Get over it.

This isn't the case with all dogs but just because someone has a good dog who can hike without a leash doesn't mean there owner is an irresponsible prick.
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A harness is much more humane and a much better way to exercise control over a dog. My service dog is trained six ways from Sunday. He knows and obeys 28 word commands. I still keep him leashed or tethered when in public. It is positive reenforcement that his will is not his own, it is mine. In dog whisperer (trainer) terms, he is biddable... he eagerly seeks to do my bidding.

And it reassures other people, some of whom may be deathly afraid of dogs, that he is no threat to them. A lot of people have been injured by good dogs, intentionally on the dog's part and unintentionally.

Not only am I not willing to risk the injury of other people, my dog is not a pet. He is a lifeline. He carries my medication and knows when I am in distress and about to asphyxiate. He also hears for me as I am functionally deaf. In return for my close training and control over him, I am allowed to take him with me places where pets and dogs are forbidden. Only occasionally do I get flack and every time it is because of previous experience with uncontrolled pets.
 
The OP can lock it any time he chooses. And anyway, you are the one who brought up bears batoning dogs! :D
 
Pepper spray.
Dog attacked me before (a Boxer), so it got 2/3 of a can of spray in the face.
If the owner didn't like it, he'd get the other third...and a kick in the nads.
Keep your dogs under control.
 
stabman said:
Pepper spray.
Dog attacked me before (a Boxer), so it got 2/3 of a can of spray in the face.
If the owner didn't like it, he'd get the other third...and a kick in the nads.
Keep your dogs under control.
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I don't know if it's the beer I've drank tonight or not, but this is the funniest post I've read all day. And btw, I agree with it 100%.

I'm a dog lover, although I don't have any at the present (live in an apt. and I don't think it's fair to keep a dog here) and years ago, I was guilty of hiking on the trail with my dogs free to run. My dogs, a 90 pound female shepherd and a smaller mutt could be intimidating looking but wouldn't hurt a fly. However, people I ran across had no way of knowing this. I now realize how wrong this was, so my vote now goes with Esav, LMT66 and , lol, stabman. Just my 2 cents.

Doc
 
OK, I confess I could only stand to read the first page of this thread :D ...



In California's rural desert region, "the douche bags" have spaniels(!), micro-ankle biter chihuahuas or "pitbulls". Wish I was making that up, too. Every spaniel owner I've seen around here was a raging douche.

It aint the dogs, it's the owners.
 
Have you ever seen a bird dog hunting birds on a leash? How about a hound chasing cats, coons, or bears. I see both sides. Just saying there are times when a dog on a leash isn't practical.
 
LMT66 said:
I see the concern the OP had by posting this and I've been in similar (multiple, quite a few, too many) situations but once again we have a thread the really has nothing to do with W&SS. As with past bear, batoning and dog threads, this has gone south. There will never be a "common ground" when it comes to bears, batoning and dogs. These threads just push members further apart and that is not what W&SS is about. This is why many long time members have fled for other forums where it isn't tolerated.

It's been proven over and over that nothing good comes from these threads. I vote this thread be locked down and future ones be locked as soon as they are noticed by mods.
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I think this actually proves the point of the thread
Where we see lots of reasonable folk not seeing their own contradictions
And it is good to see these blind spots
 
If i see your dogs running loose on the trail theres a good chance I will be petting them.
 
Godspeeds random thoughts....

I remember once when I was sitting in a blind, hunting Elk I heard some sniffing/breathing close by (behind me) and then to my amazement i saw 1...2..3..5 dogs trot up to the water I was watching to get a drink. I kept waiting for a guy to come walking up after them... never did and the dogs knew something was up so they just took off. When I got back to camp and relayed what happened everybody with the same voice asked "did you shoot them" (bow not rifle) I replied no because I was so surprised and figured somebody was walking with 'em.
Thinking back they were'nt bery well kept but I swear one had a leash... long story short these were "wild" dogs that had formed a pack after being dropped off in the forest, running away from the reservation etc. Dangerous as hell and not afraid of people...... you never know.

That's all;)
 
dipbait said:
If i see your dogs running loose on the trail theres a good chance I will be petting them.
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Lol! If you see him without me, please look for me because I will need help! He will be the one in harness and blue vest with Service Animal patches (blue and gold like police), metal rabies tag and metal owner I.D. tag. The vest pocket will contain my albuterol sulfate inhaler and his Service Animal I.D. card. If someone has removed these, look for the tattoo inside his lip. Or have a vet scan his chip. Or send a DNA sample (cheek swab, not body part) and spot chart to the FDSB to check his registration. Oh, and he likes fresh pears as a treat. And venison jerky. And please don't forget to tell him to pee and poop because he won't without permission. :D
 
Codger_64 said:
Lol! If you see him without me, please look for me because I will need help! He will be the one in harness and blue vest with Service Animal patches (blue and gold like police), metal rabies tag and metal owner I.D. tag. The vest pocket will contain my albuterol sulfate inhaler and his Service Animal I.D. card. If someone has removed these, look for the tattoo inside his lip. Or have a vet scan his chip. Or send a DNA sample (cheek swab, not body part) and spot chart to the FDSB to check his registration. Oh, and he likes fresh pears as a treat. And venison jerky. And please don't forget to tell him to pee and poop because he won't without permission. :D
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There are so many awesome things about this post! Sounds like you've got a pretty important friend.
 
My Mom got bit years ago while walking some dirt road. Found out she wasn't the first or even the fourth. Dog got a bad case of lead poisoning after that.
 
Dammit Codger, your dog is better behaved than I am!! ;) I had a Golden once that would eat anything she saw me eat, even carrots....had no interest in them unless I ate it first. I guess I was the official taste tester.

There are many different situations dogs can be in and many different dogs that can be in situations. Like I said, I have shot dogs attacking livestock but I have knelt and petted many I met as well. No different than people in that respect, some get the stick and some get a handshake.

Speaking of sticks- for defense against two and four legged critters on the trail- bamboo hiking stick and ASP baton. But I prefer a smile ;)

Bill
 
Blais said:
There are so many awesome things about this post! Sounds like you've got a pretty important friend.
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I apologize for repeatedly mentioning Jake in this thread, but I feel it is important for folks to know that such animals exist and their importance to their handlers. In a way, I consider us ambassadors of sorts, especially here in this rural county where service dogs are seldom seen.

We all grew up knowing about seeing-eye dogs (guide dogs for the blind), but not that many are aware of the wide range of services that trained dogs can and do provide to people. And as new fields of training, and access improves for people that need assistance dogs, you will begin to see more and more of them in use in settings where you have not before, and particularly in places where pets are excluded. They are now being trained to aid diabetics, epilleptics, people with balance problems and autistic children to name a few. I would be remiss if I didn't mention their importance to many disabled veterans.

Jake senses when I am having an "exacerbation event" (extreme breathing difficulty) before I do usually. His patch text for that is "Medical Alert". He also helps me to hear (I do not hear sirens when I drive or doorbells and usually not my cell phone) and the patch has the Caddius symbol. It also reads "Hearing Assist". Below that patch is a 'rocker' that says "In Training". I had the patch custom made to alert first responders, more than to inform the public. Some service dogs will have less specific patches or even no patches at all. The law does not require them. His patch on the opposite side has the Caddius (medical snake and staff) symbol with "Access Required By Law" around it. It is just there as a reminder to the public and to business owners as well as medical staff.

During an event, I cannot speak and of course cannot hear. An EMT usually knows what the Albutol inhailer is for and if not, the pocket on the vest contains emergency medical information and contact information and the tags identify me if my wallet I.D. is missing.

Again, I apologize for rambling and I will shut up now. :)
 
LMT66 said:
I see the concern the OP had by posting this Smatchet thread and I've been in similar (multiple, quite a few, too many) Smatchet situations but once again we have a Smatchet thread the really has nothing to do with W&SSmatchet. As with past Smatchet vs. Bear, Smatchet batoning and dogs w/ Smatchets threads, this Smatchet thread has gone south. There will never be "common ground" when it comes to Smatchet vs. Bears, Smatchet batoning and dogs with Smatchets. These threads just push Smatchet Owners and Anti-Smatchet scum further apart and that is not what W&SSmatchet is about. This is why many long time Smatchet users have fled for other forums where intolerance isn't tolerated.

It's been proven over and over that nothing good comes from these Smatchet threads. I vote this Smatchet thread be locked down and future ones be locked as soon as Smatchets are noticed by mods.
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Damn, now I need a Smatchet to go w/ my Enfield.
 
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