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I was just joking, man. I have never said anything serious in the snark thread. With the possible exception of this post.:D

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Not as many as i use to I admit, But I do have my BK14 and BK2 still. The 14 gets used everyday.

I do need a 9.
 
This pic was taken when I first started out with Beckers. Have some more now. Not as many as Guyon or Bladite though. I thought I had some more 9s though. If I find some, I'll shoot you a PM, WW.

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I need someone to school me a little bit,

Whats the difference between edge retention and wear resistance?
 
mountainmist said:
I started making my kydex sheath today..........cut it up into too small of pieces to use :(:( think paper shredder:(:(
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It happens man...I usually leave about an inch on each side of the sheaths to allow for rivets and warpage. At like $5 a sheet kydex isn't worth trying to squeeze every extra mm out of it.

worldwood said:
Man i like these beads, i wish i could do anything near this good. The other 4 still packaged are headed to my buddies in Australia.

Excuse that awesomeness of an original one of a kind knife there, this picture is for the BEADS.

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I hope one of those is for me :D...

worldwood said:
I need someone to school me a little bit,

Whats the difference between edge retention and wear resistance?
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Edge retention is the edge itself and wear resistance is Corrosion resistance maybe? I have no idea, I've wondered that a lot too.
 
worldwood said:
I need someone to school me a little bit,

Whats the difference between edge retention and wear resistance?
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An edge can break down in many ways. One way is for material to wear off through friction. There is very little material on the actual edge, so friction can have an effect rather quickly, pulling little pieces of the metal off here and there. If you have A2 or D2 vs. 1095, your edge (and the rest of the knife) will wear more slowly, and thus hold that edge longer under certain types of use. Of course you can roll, dent, or chip an edge too, none of which would be affected by greater wear resistance.

-Daizee
 
CamH_16 said:
I hope one of those is for me :D...



Edge retention is the edge itself and wear resistance is Corrosion resistance maybe? I have no idea, I've wondered that a lot too.
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The guys that paid for them beads might have issues with me giving you one of their beads :D But i would recommend his beads, they look great. But these custom rat metal composite beads each cost more than a BK2. The acrylic skulls and spartans are only 30 though. I know it might still be considered a bunch of money for a bead but being hand carved makes them worth it to me.
 
Ray Settanta said:
Jerry talks about it a little on his site.
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Yes he does, but he doesnt really explain the difference of the 2 terms.

"Many so-called knife experts have heralded the "wear resistance" of a steel as the key to edge retention. This may very well be true if a knife is designed and intended for the cutting of soft materials ONLY. However, we have never inspected a dull knife and found the edge to be perfectly smoothed away, like a ball bearing. Instead what we find are microscopic chips where the edge has broken or chipped away like glass after having impacted against bone, gravel, or other hard surfaces. This micro chipping dictates that the edge be reground during the resharpening process, which will ultimately lead to a thicker edge and a radical change in overall blade shape. Steels with high wear resistance normally score fairly low in shock resistance, lateral strength, and overall toughness. INFI scores very high in ALL of these categories."

I still dont know the difference LMAO they almost sound like they reference the same thing. But again i dont know, i need some schoolin :D
 
daizee said:
An edge can break down in many ways. One way is for material to wear off through friction. There is very little material on the actual edge, so friction can have an effect rather quickly, pulling little pieces of the metal off here and there. If you have A2 or D2 vs. 1095, your edge (and the rest of the knife) will wear more slowly, and thus hold that edge longer under certain types of use. Of course you can roll, dent, or chip an edge too, none of which would be affected by greater wear resistance.

-Daizee
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SO wear resistance is more talking about how the edge holds up to chipping and rolling, and edge retention is more meaning how long it stays sharp in regular cutting when no damage is done?

Or is that backwards... or am i just wrong all over ?

Thank you Daizee for helping explain this!
 
worldwood said:
SO wear resistance is more talking about how the edge holds up to chipping and rolling, and edge retention is more meaning how long it stays sharp in regular cutting when no damage is done?

Or is that backwards... or am i just wrong all over ?

Thank you Daizee for helping explain this!
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That's backwards, and exactly the opposite of what I said.
Wear resistance measures how quickly your blade will dull when cutting paper, cardboard, fabric, skin, flesh, etc.

Toughness will measure how your blade responds to impact, torque, etc.

Essentially wear resistance looks at material loss at the micro level, considering the crystal structure of the steel. That includes grain size, carbide distribution, etc. Toughness looks more at the macro level - how the blade responds to larger forces.

The third major component to edge retention is edge geometry, which works along with the steel's internal structure to give it strength to do whatever job you may ask of it.
 
daizee said:
That's backwards, and exactly the opposite of what I said.
Wear resistance measures how quickly your blade will dull when cutting paper, cardboard, fabric, skin, flesh, etc.

Toughness will measure how your blade responds to impact, torque, etc.

Essentially wear resistance looks at material loss at the micro level, considering the crystal structure of the steel. That includes grain size, carbide distribution, etc. Toughness looks more at the macro level - how the blade responds to larger forces.

The third major component to edge retention is edge geometry, which works along with the steel's internal structure to give it strength to do whatever job you may ask of it.
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Yea i thought i may of mixed it up, sorry.

And thank you for taking the time to clear this up for me, you made it much easier to understand :D

To briefly summarize: Wear resistance is just one thing that factors into edge retention. Along with toughness and edge geometry. ???

Please tell me i didnt screw it up again... otherwise i need a dunce cap.
 
Im writing this out on paper, and "defining" or explaining each of the 3 things involved in edge retention.

This is very useful information. Thank you again.
 
I think I may have contracted the zombie virus. Could someone do me a solid and come over and shoot me through the brain?
 
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