Alright people I joined to ask this question, Help a girl out

swomack said:
I hope she also looks into expanding her kick-boxing (probably cardio training only) into a self defense course. Time for me to get a cup of coffee and start my Sunday.
Swomack
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Thanks for your opinions. I hit bags not people but one of the instructors is a martial artist and the other is a woman who has been teaching self defense for a long time. And yes i've taken SD courses before, became much more intrested in them after working as a Domestic Violence advocate. Will take more in the future. Those screamers with a pull tab sound really interesting, if I can track them down I'll get one for my sister and me, maybe encourage a few of my friends who never think about self defense to get them. Mmm coffee that was a brilliant idea, gonna go chase down a cup before I go workout. Thanks for taking the time to type out all the info, that goes for everybody.
 
Normark said:
Hey Guys...

Yablanowitz...

I agree for the most part of your post..
The Delica is a perfect knife for SD..
It is Easily controlled, long enough to do the job,, and yes the Wave on the Sydercos are Far superior to the wave on the Emersons...

however what I don't agree with is the Gross/Fine motor skills..

As far as I'm concerned,, and I'm certainly Not an expert, is that the Waved knife,, when using the Wave is more Gross motor skill than Fine motor skill..

Fine motor skill would come into play by removing the knife from the pocket, and thumbing it open. Whereas simply Drawing the knife from the pocket and Exploiting the Wave feature would be more Gross motor skill, as the entire process is done almost for you, Granted you draw correctly...

Under certain circumstances(someone on top of you, or face down on the ground) using the Wave feature would certainly be more difficult,, but then again the knife can still be drawn and opened manually...

If somethingl ike this happened,, you've already allowed the situation to get out of control and you could be in a world of hurt...

The Wave feature on the Spyderco,,in my opinion is still the slickest,, and absolute fastest way to draw and get full purchase on the knife short of carrying a fixed blade.

ttyle

Eric
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Normark, I think you didn't read my post very closely (understandable, as I am sometimes less clear than I wish). I have no experience with the Spyderco wave. I do have experience with the Emerson wave. I usually carried my Emerson in my back pocket, requiring a slight twist to get it to deploy, which worked 90% of the time, not what I would call reliable enough for SD. The Spyderco wave is much larger, and should be more reliable, but I have never tested one personally.
As for the gross/fine motor skill thing, I was merely saying that most self defense training that I have seen teaches two hand, gross motor function opening, and why they do. I am of the personal opinion that if I need a knife for self defense, I have failed in my awareness, risk assessment, avoidance and negotiation to the point where a platoon of Marines might not be sufficient to save me, much less a knife.

Phil000, I must admit, I was confused by your suggestion of a Native. If she might not have room for a Delica, she certainly won't have room for a Native (at least in FRN). I say this as someone who owns more than one of each. I seldom carry my Natives any more, simply because they feel much more bulky in my pocket. The Endura is much larger yet, so I would eliminate it from consideration.
 
I didn't read this entire thread, so forgive me if what I'm saying has already been said.


For 100 dollars you can get a Boker Subcom, Surefire G2, and pepper spray of some sort (look into Fox Labs OC). Really, spending 100 bucks on one knife for self defense is kind of senseless when, for the same price, you can get a quality knife/flash light/AND OC spray.


Just my opinion though.
 
I 2nd the Subcom, sounds like a good idea to me, it sounds like she won't have room for a flashlight, a knife and mace to fit comfortably on her person everyday. I would just get the Subcom (they run about $20 new), a small keychain light (L.E.D. of coarse or a Maglite Solitare, they are pretty handy) and she said she already has OC spray.
 
A stainless steel Spyderco Cricket would be a good little knife to have as a back-up to pepper spray. It fits the hand well, comes super sharp, and is capable of inflicting some nasty slash wounds. It can also be carried very discreetly as it's just a hair over 1/4" thick and only weighs 1 3/4oz.

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BJE said:
I 2nd the Subcom, sounds like a good idea to me, it sounds like she won't have room for a flashlight, a knife and mace to fit comfortably on her person everyday. I would just get the Subcom (they run about $20 new), a small keychain light (L.E.D. of coarse or a Maglite Solitare, they are pretty handy) and she said she already has OC spray.
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I carry a knife,flashlight,and pepper spray daily and have never had a problem doing so.

I also don't really think a small keychain light as an only source of illumination is a good plan...with lights such as Mini-mags or Surefires (anything roughly that size) you can use them as kubatons of sorts. Simply hold it, and hit with either end.
 
I think you might like to check out the Kershaw Leek. Very slim, great knife for everyday AND usble for defense.

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Hey Guys..

ahri...

First off,, I'd like to apologize...
I was getting a little out of hand,, just playing around..
I certainly hope I didn't offend you..
Not my intention...

Please forgive me..:)

Bigkahuna...

I'd like to know why you would pick the Delica 4 over the Waved Delica 4 ??

Granted I've had more work with the Waved Endura 4...

Other than some frayed pockets, I absolutely see no other drawback to the Waved Spydercos what so ever...

It is Simply the easiest, and quickest knife to deploy...

EDCeeker

With that train of thought we ALL Carry concealed folders...
That mindset is Dangerous to us all...

ajri..

Again I apologize and hope you won't hold that against me...

This is actually a pretty good thread..

ttyle

Eric
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Hello all, been kinda quite lately, mostly just lurking. I always like the threads where an opposite sex is looking for a knife.:)

The first thing i would suggest is a hideaway knife. These knives are perfect for anyone and take very little training to actually use. Just hold the pill shaped capsule and punch away. Also they are very small and concealable. These can be had for about 80 bucks i believe and i strongly recommend them.

For a folder i would check out the benchmade griptillian or mini grip. With the axis lock you have absolutely no worries of knife failure. Also they come in a variety of colors that may interest you. For another folder i would suggest the coldsteel voyager. These can be had in many different sizes, all around 40 bucks. These knives look pretty basic and are rock solid when it comes to abuse. Hope this helps and stick around awhile. We need more females around.:)
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Trying to pick a knife that looks non threatening is just as stupid as trying to pick one that looks scary. A hawkbill is a fine and perfectly legal choice.
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I think the sheeple reaction factor is just something to consider for any EDC but certainly not a deciding factor. it is just one of the many reasons i choose a Delica for many situations

in california especially blade shape has to be considered since some areas have restrictions on "Daggers, or Dirks" and some of the blade shapes people suggested fit the legal descriptions of those blades i have read. I would definetley suggest a consult to a lawyer on some of them. I was not refering to hawkbills specifically.

and although i know there are martial art styles that specialize in them i think that for most people a hawkbill would be more of a limitation to some basic self defense techniques like oh say the Stab :confused:

oh wow i just realized you were responding to someone else since i dont have a military rank.

anyway "Thats my story and Im Sticking To IT"
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Normark

Since her means of carry might be largley IWB. How is the wave for that. It seems kinda snag prone in that method to me. but again I have never used one I carry a ten year old Delica with the old one piece plastic handle/clip, and an endura 4 with no wave.

on a different note someone mentioned tip up V tip down: I believe the delica 4 has the same reversible clip as the Endura 4 so it can go either way

another point for the delica.
 
get a cold steel safe keeper in the well trained hands it is a devestating weapon and only like $50. If you can throw a punch yhou can use this thing well.
 
Wow a lot has been said. But I want to put in my .02

As folders go my vote is for a Waved Delica. Why, it's hard to not open it as you remove it, my experiance. One less thing to worry about when needed.

A fixed blade would be best for SD, but how many can really carry one. Plus you can open your beers with the wave...

Get the trainer as well. Then find a Filipino martial arts studio, a style with a focus on knives (Arnis or Pekiti-Tirsia are good) and take a month or two worth of classes, so you can get a clue about what your doing with it. You don't need to be a master, just get familiar with the action and concepts.
 
Hey Guys...

EMS...

Yes,, well if it's going to be carried mainly IWB then Yes the Wave would be pretty much usless, unless carried in a Speed Dialer IWB...

Another thing that I didn't consider is the tightness of the jeans and the cut of the pocket...

I just this morning had my wife try a WE4 in her jeans, and although it worked,, it wasn't an ideal design for use with the Wave on the Delica..
I don't know if these jean are an isolated case or not...

Reading the thread over again I can see why now...

Bigkahuna..
Disregard.....

ttyle

Eric
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RedEdge77 said:
Hello all, been kinda quite lately, mostly just lurking. I always like the threads where an opposite sex is looking for a knife.:)

The first thing i would suggest is a hideaway knife. These knives are perfect for anyone and take very little training to actually use. Just hold the pill shaped capsule and punch away. Also they are very small and concealable. These can be had for about 80 bucks i believe and i strongly recommend them.

For a folder i would check out the benchmade griptillian or mini grip. With the axis lock you have absolutely no worries of knife failure. Also they come in a variety of colors that may interest you. For another folder i would suggest the coldsteel voyager. These can be had in many different sizes, all around 40 bucks. These knives look pretty basic and are rock solid when it comes to abuse. Hope this helps and stick around awhile. We need more females around.:)
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i like the hideaway knife as well, only problem is since it is a fixed blade, carrying it concealed would violate california penal code. it would likely be considered a concealed dirk/dagger.
 
hey normark,
i dont think we have offended ajri, she seemed to be playing along.

i would ignore owenm here, shows up posts one reply, and makes a goofy statement. either he was trolling or joking.
 
Rat, when you combine 3:00am, with scotch, old eyes, callused fingers, and just typing Gysgt. USMC on things for 6 straight years (did not think she could make heads or tails of that) you get mistakes. Like my sainted mother said " jim, your strong as an ox and just almost as smart." As far as lawyers go, after testifying more than a couple of times I have come to the realization that 99.8% will do anything the can to win`includeing obfuscating the facts. Especially if it is a DA with political aspirations. People today do not understand self defence, especially if pesented with a mental picture of a young woman enraged (possible alcohol involvement !?) wielding a "large razor sharp blade shape like a claw that was designed to chop a man to pieces. (heard that almost verbatim in court 2 years ago and yes its is falsely embellished but the picture is now embedded in the jurys mind.) It takes a very good defense lawyer and practiced testimony to have a chance, and it is expensive especially if you have to bring in expert witnesses to testify as to defensive mindset, knife choice ( or gun choice in those instances). Normark, straight delica is just easier to conceal and the wave doesn't help in the waistband carry. swomack, thank you for your kind words I try to give advice that is usefull not only is the situation but also defensible in court. Thank you.
 
I highly suggest the Spyderco Civilian...Many people have done great at defending themselves with it...And it is the most intimidating knife ever.
 
I have reevaluated my post from last night and while the carrying for self defense without proper training is dumb it still stands. Now I would suggest a benchmade doug ritter griptillian. It has good steel, an axis lock, and is great for everyday use. OR another choice might be the benchmade 10750 vex. there are so many good knivesout their how can you choose just one?
 
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