Am I weird for cutting my steak and chicken with a folder?

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stabman said:
This thread has gone to a weird, paranoid place. :rolleyes:
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That's general for ya!


I honestly use my knife much more often than the restaurant provided cutlery. About the only time I'll use their knives is when I'm on a date. The only people I'm worried about are the ones at my table.
But then again I carry traditional slip joints pretty much exclusively now. I'm not to concerned if people see me pull out a peanut or a barlow.
As for fear of dulling the edge, that's why I sharpen the dang things!
As for fear of getting food gunk in the joints or work gunk in the food, really!?!? What happened to the days when a couple swipes on the pant leg was all you needed to clean off a knife. Some of y'all are acting like your knives are transporting Ebola for goodness sakes!
 
KBA said:
Since we are being analytical, can you see an issue in the situation we are discussing here? A young man, minding his own business at a low to mid level steak place, has created a "situation" of were a legal carry is suddenly deemed illegal? A situation were cops would need to detain him for creating looks?
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People have to use some common since, not everyplace is the same.
 
Boxer .45 said:
A knife is not a weapon, it's a tool. Now atool can be used as a weapon. Ever hear of someone being killed with a hammer?

If as "knife people" we keep preaching the same hate sleach as the antis then soon enough we will have to leave our knives in a drawer at our home, or worse. I don't perpetuate or accept that a tool is a weapon unless its in the intention of the user and that is what makes someone a criminal except in the case of self defense.

I won't bow down to someone's sensitivities. If they are sensitive maybe they are the ones that should stay home. I don't wave my blade around in a threatening manner or yell out every time I use it, but I will continue to open my knife and cut things when they need cutting.

If a knife is so threatening at a restaurant then please feel free to explain the difference between the one and my pocket and the one the restaurant provides and how its any less dangerous besides the rounded tip on some like a pair of kindergarten scissors.

Societal norms are only norms because people continue to bow down to the sensativies of very few. This has only been true in recent history because used to people were looked upon as a bad person by their actions not the tools they carried.
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I don't have to explain anything.... ;)

YOU might have too though in a worst case situation and in front of a Judge, and justify YOUR actions, not much riding on it though, just your freedom if you lose and likely will if it goes that far.

Funny how that works isn't it?

The time we all live in today.
 
Unusual. Using your own knife at a restaurant is unusual. Wearing a hat indoors while you ate at a restaurant used to be unusual. Now it seems almost "normal," like failing to use turn signals when turning.

"Weird" implies supernatural or uncanny. If the knife was a miniature light saber, that approaches "weird."
 
Ankerson said:
People have to use some common since, not everyplace is the same.
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Don't dodge my question. We are discussing this situation, not a hypothetical that can be altered just to fit your agenda. Yes, common sense is important, but please tell me how this individual could create a situation of where a legal carry becomes illegal in Texas Roadhouse, a run of the mill everyday bottom dollar steak house?

I see your point. I just do not find it as a blanket all encompassing relevant point as you think.
 
KBA said:
Don't dodge my question. We are discussing this situation, not a hypothetical that can be altered just to fit your agenda. Yes, common sense is important, but please tell me how this individual could create a situation of where a legal carry becomes illegal in Texas Roadhouse, a run of the mill everyday bottom dollar steak house?

I see your point. I just do not find it as a blanket all encompassing relevant point as you think.
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Is it legal carry?

Carry technically means CARRY.... IE in ones pocket.... ;)

Same as a gun, carry..... Holster or if CC carry... Hidden.

And that is how they get you... ;)

Pull ones gun out and they are going to have major issues and in a real hurry.

Same goes for a knife.... Depending.....

Pulling out a weapon... that is how MOST people see them by the way outside of BF and in some peoples heads in this thread.

That is illegal (gun) and perhaps knife depending on the area and people around, if they deem it to be a weapon one can be in real trouble in a real hurry, same as if they had a gun.

It's NOT how we see the knife, that doesn't matter...... It's how THEY see the knife that really matters.

As I said most see them as weapons so....

I am one of the more conservative ones on this subject by the way, lets say careful.

However there are radicals on both sides of this topic and yes outside of BF also. Same as with the gun issues.......

Certain ones just might be more outspoken now and out to cause problems given all of the recent things going on.

Also IMO perhaps the legal system just might be more inclined to throw the book at offenders these days.

So personally I would be much more careful NOW than ever before...... Just saying.
 
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No way did I think this was such a big deal that it would have 11 pages. Some of these comments are Lol.
 
Ankerson said:
I don't have to explain anything.... ;)

YOU might have too though in a worst case situation and in front of a Judge, and justify YOUR actions, not much riding on it though, just your freedom if you lose and likely will if it goes that far.

Funny how that works isn't it?

The time we all live in today.
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If you keep bowing to someone's perception of what scares them despite the fact that its been normal for someone to carry and use knives for thousands of years, and you quit fighting for your rights, then soon enough it will be to scary for you to even own a knife in your home, much less your pocket.

Criminals and murders are dangerous people, the average person isn't either, or threatening. If you keep acting like a criminal then eventually everyone will treat you like one. I'm talking about peopls perceptions of a tool as opposed to someone using the tool, or how they use such a tool.

If I'm on a job site and im driving nails with my hamner no one gives me a second look because im using the tool for a practical purpose. Now if I start acting belligerent, or running around with it above my head, breaking windows and throwing it or threatening people or attacking them with it then that is pretty scary, and rightly so. When you start using a tool recklessly or act like a criminal people have a legitimate reason for concern, but if your using it for its intended purposes (hammers are used for more than just driving nails mind you) then there is no reason to be concerned. Now if you get someone that's never seen a hammer used before do you know how they react? They cringe, cover they're ears, they move back and act scared of it. But the more they are around people that use a hammer and use it responsibility for it's purpose the more comfortable they become, the closer they stand, and the more respect they have for the tool for what it was designed for. Eventually most become so comfortable that they end up doing some hammering themselves, maybe even buy one for when something needs hammering.

Should we hide our hammers when people that aren't accustomed to them come around? Should we appeal to their sensitivies or keep using the hammer so they can see it's not dangerous in the hands of the experienced and average person using it? Should we outlaw hammers?

In the US 2015 500+ people were killed with hammers, 1/3 as many as knives.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

A tool most don't even consider a weapon.

If you use a knife like you are supposed to, and you try to be responsible with it, follow knife rules, and instead of hiding a knife try to educate others and show them that responsible people carry knives it will go a lot further than cautious actions.

I don't know where you live, but I live in a state (Arkansas) where we are free to carry what we want, our knife laws have been repealed, if you want the links to the legislation I can get them for you. If you live in a state or country where you cannot then you need to fight for your rights. If you choose to keep hiding and not fight for your rights to carry and use a tool old as man, then you will let other people's sensitivities continue to compare you and your simple every day actions to that of a criminal and a judge will treat you that way according to the "your rights were stripped because you failed to use or fight for them" law. Your being criminalized should be in your intent, not the tool or the person in general. That goes for guns, knives, and even hammers!

In the mean time, I plan to continue to use my knife for cutting things that need cutting like a responsible person, and if I want to that includes my steak.....and CHICKEN too! :)

ETA: there is no difference between the knife in your pocket and the knife the restaurant provides on the table. It was a rhetorical question. The reason people don't freak out isn't because no one could use it for a weapon or it looks less scary, it's because people continue to use them. ;)
 
Ankerson said:
Is it legal carry?

Carry technically means CARRY.... IE in ones pocket.... ;)

Same as a gun, carry..... Holster or if CC carry... Hidden.

And that is how they get you... ;)

Pull ones gun out and they are going to have major issues and in a real hurry.

Same goes for a knife.... Depending.....

Pulling out a weapon... that is how MOST people see them by the way outside of BF and in some peoples heads in this thread.

That is illegal (gun) and perhaps knife depending on the area and people around, if they deem it to be a weapon one can be in real trouble in a real hurry, same as if they had a gun.

It's NOT how we see the knife, that doesn't matter...... It's how THEY see the knife that really matters.

As I said most see them as weapons so....

I am one of the more conservative ones on this subject by the way, lets say careful.

However there are radicals on both sides of this topic and yes outside of BF also. Same as with the gun issues.......

Certain ones just might be more outspoken now and out to cause problems given all of the recent things going on.

Also IMO perhaps the legal system just might be more inclined to throw the book at offenders these days.

So personally I would be much more careful NOW than ever before...... Just saying.
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Jim, I see your point, but I disagree with the stigma and opinion you are giving, it is still just an opinion after all.

There is never a need to pull your gun out unless you intend to kill. Do you carry?

I still believe you dodged my question in trying to create a perspective of fear and identifying the common person as fearful and ignorant. Hold a steak in your hand and the handle and blade is more exposed than the handle and blade is on most knives. Most wont even see you using the thing as cutting a steak in a steak house is the most common action seen.

I agree the is cultural sensitivity but even in that sensitivity the young man would be asked to leave at most. Remember, I'm trying focus you in on the OP not all places and all people.

As for the opinion I'm bored of the discussion and feel you and I would just go round and round.

Hope I never came across as an ass. Best to you
 
I would do it if the restaurant knives were crappie. Yeah; that's a fish. The last personal knife that I used at a restaurant was a Condor Kephart. It has "steak knife" written all over it.
 
KBA said:
Jim, I see your point, but I disagree with the stigma and opinion you are giving, it is still just an opinion after all.

There is never a need to pull your gun out unless you intend to kill. Do you carry?

I still believe you dodged my question in trying to create a perspective of fear and identifying the common person as fearful and ignorant. Hold a steak in your hand and the handle and blade is more exposed than the handle and blade is on most knives. Most wont even see you using the thing as cutting a steak in a steak house is the most common action seen.

I agree the is cultural sensitivity but even in that sensitivity the young man would be asked to leave at most. Remember, I'm trying focus you in on the OP not all places and all people.

As for the opinion I'm bored of the discussion and feel you and I would just go round and round.

Hope I never came across as an ass. Best to you
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This sort of thing happens every time the topic comes up here, it pretty much goes the same way. I think it's very amusing really that it's even a topic in the 1st place as restaurants supply silverware to use. Now if people eat at places that serve on paper plates and give plastic forks and knives then that may be different.

Been carrying knives for over 40 years personally, carried a gun for a few years back when I was younger. Personally I don't feel the need to carry a gun these days for me.

For the record I have never seen anyone ever use a pocket knife in a restaurant..... That's NEVER...... And I do eat at steak places and I am very aware of what is going on around me.

IMO this whole topic is just people trying to find reasons to use their knives or play with them, and that opinion will never change. ;)

And I believe pulling a pocket knife out in a restaurant is stupid at the very least, and that is the nicest way I can put it.
 
Ankerson said:
For the record I have never seen anyone ever use a pocket knife in a restaurant..... That's NEVER...... And I do eat at steak places and I am very aware of what is going on around me.

IMO this whole topic is just people trying to find reasons to use their knives or play with them, and that opinion will never change. ;)

And I believe pulling a pocket knife out in a restaurant is stupid at the very least, and that is the nicest way I can put it.
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I pretty much agree with you. I've never seen someone with their folder cutting food at a restaurant. In writing this, I have visions of someone whipping out their Vic Classic and slicing away.... pretty stupid. In the case of the Kephart use above, I planned on using it there simply to try it out.
 
Just use the knife you're given, why would you want to wear on your own knife when you don't have to? Strikes me as unnecessary and strange manners. BTW if you NEED a high end utility folding knife to cut your steak, you might wanna go to a place where they serve more tender steaks.
 
22-rimfire said:
I pretty much agree with you. I've never seen someone with their folder cutting food at a restaurant. In writing this, I have visions of someone whipping out their Vic Classic and slicing away.... pretty stupid. In the case of the Kephart use above, I planned on using it there simply to try it out.
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I start laughing every time this topic comes up. :D
 
Ankerson said:
This sort of thing happens every time the topic comes up here, it pretty much goes the same way. I think it's very amusing really that it's even a topic in the 1st place as restaurants supply silverware to use. Now if people eat at places that serve on paper plates and give plastic forks and knives then that may be different.

Been carrying knives for over 40 years personally, carried a gun for a few years back when I was younger. Personally I don't feel the need to carry a gun these days for me.

For the record I have never seen anyone ever use a pocket knife in a restaurant..... That's NEVER...... And I do eat at steak places and I am very aware of what is going on around me.

IMO this whole topic is just people trying to find reasons to use their knives or play with them, and that opinion will never change. ;)

And I believe pulling a pocket knife out in a restaurant is stupid at the very least, and that is the nicest way I can put it.
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Thank you for sharing your opinion. Please see my first post pertains to op on page 1. I don't care either way. Yet you brought up the law. I was only calling you out on BS to put it nicely as I can. You still are dodging my question. I cut cheeseburgers in half sometimes yes with my folder no not just to use it. Opinions 👍
 
I could easily see someone who has dentures cutting a chicken sandwich up into bit sized pieces at McDonalds. It would look kind of funny, but it would certainly work. The same might apply to well done cheeseburger. I sometimes cut my Subway sandwiches into smaller pieces. It gets sloppy though.
 
KBA said:
Thank you for sharing your opinion. Please see my first post pertains to op on page 1. I don't care either way. Yet you brought up the law. I was only calling you out on BS to put it nicely as I can. You still are dodging my question. I cut cheeseburgers in half sometimes yes with my folder no not just to use it. Opinions 👍
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Legality is what it is and that will vary depending on the area of the country people live in and the people that happen to be around.

There really isn't one blanket description of what is legal and illegal when it comes to this, and that is the issue at hand. And why some have ended up in court or jail over it.

Best idea is to treat it like a gun and just leave it in the pocket when in public.

In some places I suppose nobody would care, in others it can land you in court and or jail.

OH, the South isn't really the south anymore with people that have moved from up north, the mid west and California.

I know in my area natives are few and far between..... In NC.....
 
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