Ammo sales and future survival (another potential political thread)

This is where the Fear and panic is coming from...the clamoring for firearms & stocking up ammo .When Obama takes office and resides in the White house alot of things will change...
 
R.A.T. said:
Not trying to start one of those 9mm vs. 45 debates, but why does everyone feel they need an AR platform / tricked out M4 to be good-to-go in a "survival" situation. Not talking about the guys here but it seems like the AR is the rifle that sells the best when these type of political things come up. I sort of figure all a man really ever needs is a good defense shotgun, good handgun and a good rifle and he will be set as long as he has the ammo to feed it. A man can do a LOT with a deer rifle that shoots well. About the only other gun I would add to that mix is a very good rimfire rifle in .22 mag or .17 HMR.
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1.) Because not everyone is trying to "survive". Most want to hold ground. You work for your home and the things you have, and plan on keeping them. Nothing says GTFO like an assault or battle rifle. With respect, AKs, ARs, FALs, M1As, etc were purpose designed to kill people first, although they do fine in the hunting field (just ask about 6 hogs that have fallen to my AK).
2.) They are the most likely to be banned first, and if there is a grandfather clause (not a given), you can at least keep what you have.
3.) The enemies of freedom don't want you to have one (enough reason in itself).
4.) They have the "cool factor".

Honestly though, Jeff, you're right. For surviving you don't need much. When this country truly was a wild frontier, families could often only afford one firearm (contrary to popular belief). First muskets, then shotguns became the dominant arm of choice (not everyone was a long range rifleman, and buck 'n' ball loads were -- and are - quite effective).
Handguns were always popular with those who needed concealability, or portability. Again, contrary to popular belief, cowboys typically only had one handgun, usually an old one (they couldn't afford more), because they had to have something that they could keep on them hands-free while they worked all day. They couldn't afford two handguns and a rifle.

In reality, if one has a shotgun, a handgun (because these days, concealability is a big factor depending on what you're doing), and a rimfire (I too prefer the .22 MAG), you're set much better than most of the people who blazed a trail across the country against big, wild animals and injuns.

I don't know if their prices skyrocketed, but if you want a rifle that is a good survival weapon, it's hard to beat an old battle rifle like a Mosin Nagant, Mauser or Enfield. All designed for extensive field conditions, powerful, reliable, and at least accurate enough. While you won't fight off a determined attack with one (being one person, you're not likely to fight off a determined attack with a hi-cap rifle, either), but a small group of looter will probably be deterred when they hear the report (and in the case of a Mosin or No5 Enfield, see the three feet of flame come out the end) and one of their number drop. Oh sure, they may rush you and get you, problem is decinding who's going to suck up the couple of rounds you can get off, and who's going to "hold" the bayonet while the rest kill you). :D
 
texastonydobbs said:
This is where the Fear and panic is coming from...the clamoring for firearms & stocking up ammo .When Obama takes office and resides in the White house alot of things will change...
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Tony, your right, this may vary well be the perfect storm for them to push their agenda through…
A heavily anti gun pres and vice, possible control of the senate … :eek:
 
CPL I’m with you on that .

I have a BUG in as well as a BUG out plan I hope I don’t have to implement either of them…
 
cody1 said:
It is scary to think that our main enemies will be other US citizens, but that is most likely the truth. It would take a large collapse to cause that level of anarchy. If the food production and transportation sytems break down a totall collape could come quickly. In that case you will need to be able to live as the old ones lived. You will need to get out of any populated area and as deep as possible. You will need to have protection, but you will want to hunt in a silent manner. Gun fire will attract people to your area and they will eventually find you. Most people will parish in the first two winters, and when disease runs through the old cities. You will most likely need to be able to survive in the deep wilderness for around 10 years before most of the earth has cleansed itself of humanity. After that point it will be much safer to repopulate the coastal areas and lower latitudes. All the crazies will be dead. Just a thought on all this.
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this is what THEY want. Internal Strife, any excuse to impose full martial law and SHUT DOWN the USA and its citizens. The enemy is not just Binny and his boys, its the banks, corporations, and Obama types. This has been in the works for YEARS.

the NIGHT of the NWO is near (this is a reference to the Night of Broken Glass)...only the USA citizens are the ones being targeted.
 
Bushman5 said:
this is what THEY want. Internal Strife, any excuse to impose full martial law and SHUT DOWN the USA and its citizens. The enemy is not just Binny and his boys, its the banks, corporations, and Obama types. This has been in the works for YEARS.

the NIGHT of the NWO is near (this is a reference to the Night of Broken Glass)...only the USA citizens are the ones being targeted.
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This is an interesting thread. I have been trying to get my PAL, or firearms license for canadians for a while now, its just takes so damn long, but I can tell you one thing, I have had a feeling for awhile now, and with the way things are going in the world bad stuff is going to go down. I do think that the economy will be the first to go, then the local agriculture and so on and so on.
But its for sure just a matter of time, look at the past, I say were long over due for something.:eek:
 
This gravely concerns me and I am afraid that we will be adopting some of the UN small arms restrictions. About the AR platform. I don't have one and I doubt I get one. I have a couple dozen guns, most are sporting/hunting arm along with a couple Mausers and a CMP M1 carbine. I laugh when the crime shows happen across a couple boxes of ammo and start talking "arsenal". I have an ammo addiction. Reminds me I need another 30 of 30carbine. I am buying to make sure I have it and to be able to get it at a good price. I worry that the cheap imports will be banned first. Obama's attempts to ban all semi's is worrisome to me - does that mean all my pistols, Beretta shotgun, 10/22 and M1 carbine will be outlawed...

In all honestly my next gun will be a 357 lever action and a Ruger Blackhawk. Same ammo as my snubby and 4" 7 shot - simplify.

tjg
 
texastonydobbs said:
not trying to stir the pot or piss people off who voted for him but...
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I agree with everyones decision to stock pile ammo. I have done the same (mostly for price and availability concerns). I think we need to keep in mind though, that the above is propoganda released by the NRA, and is not a plan stated by Obama. By the way, I have no problem with the NRA behaving in such a way, asthey need to be somewhat extreme to help balance things out and preserve our rights.
 
Fonly said:
This is an interesting thread. I have been trying to get my PAL, or firearms license for canadians for a while now, its just takes so damn long, but I can tell you one thing, I have had a feeling for awhile now, and with the way things are going in the world bad stuff is going to go down. I do think that the economy will be the first to go, then the local agriculture and so on and so on.
But its for sure just a matter of time, look at the past, I say were long over due for something.:eek:
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The sky still isn't falling.
We didn't die of nuclear war.
Y2K was a nothing.
The Rapture didn't happen in 2000 or 2001.
SARS was a joke, and the dreaded "bird flu", give me a break!
Life will continue to be very boring, sorry to say.
People in 999 thought the world was going to end in the year 1000, and guess what? It didn't.
Humanity will peter out or move ahead, but nothing dramatic is going to happen to us.
Hey, remember Soylent Green and how the world was going to be absolutely unlivable once there were 5 billion people?
People are panicky, fearful creatures, that is all. Nothing is going to happen which is major.
 
stabman said:
The sky still isn't falling.
We didn't die of nuclear war.
Y2K was a nothing.
The Rapture didn't happen in 2000 or 2001.
SARS was a joke, and the dreaded "bird flu", give me a break!
Life will continue to be very boring, sorry to say.
People in 999 thought the world was going to end in the year 1000, and guess what? It didn't.
Humanity will peter out or move ahead, but nothing dramatic is going to happen to us.
Hey, remember Soylent Green and how the world was going to be absolutely unlivable once there were 5 billion people?
People are panicky, fearful creatures, that is all. Nothing is going to happen which is major.
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Throughout history powerful nations have fallen either by plagues , war, economic collapse sometimes all three We are not immune to this and it is not impossible for this to happen again . Our nation as well as yours could see the same fate as many others have before us . It is unlikely, but it is in realm of possibility. To deny this and think, well everything is ok, you are in effect putting your guard down. This is when people become complacent and is generally when crap happens… I see where you are coming from, but making proper preparations as a form of insurance while living your life normally doesn’t do any harm, It’s better to be prepared, have a plan in place just in case something does occur. Then to have to rely on others that may not be willing to help you… The story of the Grasshopper and the Ant come to mind… O’ya Fear and Panic, though similar are two totally different emotions, fear can save your life, while panic can lead you to your death… As far as Y2k , Sars, Bird flu etc. etc. There will always be more false alarms than actual events. That is just how it is… The question is will you be ready if there is an actual event ?
 
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wolfsurvival said:
The question is will you be ready if there is an actual event ?
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Pretty much, yes.
Can't prepare for everything, even if you're a billionaire, but I have enough bases covered for most eventualities.
Or at least, it seems so. Won't know for sure unless something really terrible happens, I suppose.:)
 
stabman said:
Pretty much, yes.
Can't prepare for everything, even if you're a billionaire, but I have enough bases covered for most eventualities.
Or at least, it seems so. Won't know for sure unless something really terrible happens, I suppose.:)
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Thats all you can do man.. The best you can.
 
stabman said:
Pretty much, yes.
Can't prepare for everything, even if you're a billionaire, but I have enough bases covered for most eventualities.
Or at least, it seems so. Won't know for sure unless something really terrible happens, I suppose.:)
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wolfsurvival said:
Thats all you can do man.. The best you can.
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Since this is only a potential political thread, maybe we can make it a potential religious one too...

Theologically speaking, are you ready for something to happen? I'm just saying...there's more to life than beans and bullets.


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IMHO things will get ugly for gun rights in the next few years. For whatever reason the Democratic Party seems to be tasked with disarming the peasants, and they have a pretty clear road right now. I just went through a handgun confiscation scare in San Francisco after Prop H passed a few years ago. Luckily it got squashed in the courts, but they were 100% GO on handgun confiscation inside the city limits. Dates and deadlines were set. Do not think confiscation is not an option for the next administration. I wouldn't even put a lot of money into handguns or AR's these days, I'd stick to lever action rifles and shotguns if I was buying a first gun. Thank God for that last Supreme Court ruling. That'll slow them down a bit.
 
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stabman said:
The sky still isn't falling.
We didn't die of nuclear war.
Y2K was a nothing.
The Rapture didn't happen in 2000 or 2001.
SARS was a joke, and the dreaded "bird flu", give me a break!
Life will continue to be very boring, sorry to say.
People in 999 thought the world was going to end in the year 1000, and guess what? It didn't.
Humanity will peter out or move ahead, but nothing dramatic is going to happen to us.
Hey, remember Soylent Green and how the world was going to be absolutely unlivable once there were 5 billion people?
People are panicky, fearful creatures, that is all. Nothing is going to happen which is major.
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I wish I shared the same optimism, but I dont. Im not saying the world is ending, but were long over due for something.
 
Fonly said:
I wish I shared the same optimism, but I dont. Im not saying the world is ending, but were long over due for something.
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In some ways, I wish something WOULD happen.
I used to be one of those people who thought something big would happen around the year 2000. Until around 1998, when I began to think it wasn't quite as likely.
Heck, in grade 9, when Iraq War 1 was going on, I thought we were finally going to see the end of the world! I was all ready for end times, and the Rapture to boot.
I guess I'm just a bit older and more cynical now.
Kind of funny how a slightly optimistic view on certain things can come from being cynical!
 
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