Ammo sales and future survival (another potential political thread)

Great thread. Ive really enjoyed reading everyones thoughts, and it makes me happy you guys are preparing for what may lie ahead.

I have a good stock of ammo, and some for guns I dont even own.

I want more 7.62x39, and .45ACP.

I have loads of food and gear, and will not engage in a fight with anyone that doesnt pursue one with me if SHTF. My family and I will dissapear. I think we would last longer like that. Kinda like the movie Red Dawn, my sons are what I am concerned about, and they will be well stocked and armed before I rest.

I would like a snubby .357, which will happen in time. I really owned no hi-cap battle rifles, but I have an SKS I picked up, and just tonight instaled the Tapco T6 stock, and have some mags now too. My christmas list to everyone has been ammo. Lots of it.

Funny but round here, my local said assualt rifles havent been the hot seller, its been handguns. There are still SKSs and AKs in my shop. 200-225 for SKSs, and 450-500 for AKs. Always have ammo n stock too, which is good, b/c I dont like the idea of large ammo purchases over the net.

Keep your powder dry, and your blades sharp boys. And if need be, you all will always have a place with me and mine. This is the time all of us need to stick together.

Jeff, your posts were a joy to read. You have alot of insight, and thank-you for sharing it.

In closing, I am done with arguing with the liberals about this, or speculating what is gonna happen. I am just gonna nod, and know I will be prepared, and there will be a time for action. Its a shame, think of our great grand-children.
 
j williams said:
I am done with arguing with the liberals about this, or speculating what is gonna happen. I am just gonna nod, and know I will be prepared, and there will be a time for action. Its a shame, think of our great grand-children.
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That's exactly where I'm at. I don't argue any more. I just keep preparing.
 
Grump said:
The great grandchildren will be so liberalized by the education system that they won't know any better. :grumpy:
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Or maybe they'll learn to think for themselves.:)
Education is not some liberal plot to ruin all our traditions. I've had teachers from both sides of the spectrum.
Sure, some were totally anti-gun, but others were hunters.
People are diverse, and that applies to teachers as well.:thumbup:
 
i went ahead and bought one of those "evil" guns the other day. A Glock 23. Just curious whats the major differences between the different manufactures of AR-15's other than price?
 
Id just go for a chrome lined barrel. I think thats the main differance Ive seen RRAs outshoot colts, and CMMG bargain bins outshoot bushmasters. And vice versa.

That said, I like the CMMGs, and Colts. I think its personal preferance.

Congrats on the tupperware! Maintnance free idiot proof guns those Glocks!:thumbup:
 
SeanGCO said:
i went ahead and bought one of those "evil" guns the other day. A Glock 23. Just curious whats the major differences between the different manufactures of AR-15's other than price?
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If you don't mind me asking, did you go to trader jerry's and get it?
 
stabman said:
Or maybe they'll learn to think for themselves.:)
Education is not some liberal plot to ruin all our traditions. I've had teachers from both sides of the spectrum.
Sure, some were totally anti-gun, but others were hunters.
People are diverse, and that applies to teachers as well.:thumbup:
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No offense to you or teachers in general but...

It seems to me that most higher education institutions are more liberal than not, just like the media. It's all a conspiracy to move towards socialism. Dang, where did I put my tin hat? ;)
 
SeanGCO said:
i went ahead and bought one of those "evil" guns the other day. A Glock 23. Just curious whats the major differences between the different manufactures of AR-15's other than price?
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The similarities on ARs outweigh their differences. Usually as mentioned, it is the differences in barrel quality that make the most important distinction. The other primary distinction is length of the gas system, with shorter ones being generally more problematic than ones on 20" or more.

All said and done, most ARs share the same flaws, which doesn't endear me to them as an "individual weapon:"

Direct gas system carbon fouling of the chamber. This can be addressed by expensive piston based uppers or through NP3 coating of the bolt.

The spring tube sticking out of the rear of the receiver makes for a more delicate weapon and one that is more difficult to shorten for tight places, like cars, where its side folding/ bullpup NATO or side/underfolding COMBLOC peers shine in comparison.

The magazine system is prone to failures due to delicate feed lips. In fairness, this flaw covers all STANAG compatible weapons systems and can be mitigated somewhat with all steel or otherwise toughened up magazines.

What the AR does well is gives good ergonomics and usually decent mechanical accuracy out to at least 600-750m in a fairly lightweight package. It is about two or three times more accurate at all sub 500m distances than every 7.62x39 AK made, and about twice as tight through 600m as is the 5.45x39 AK variant.

Chances are good though, that anywhere but the relative sterility of the range, those AKs will be running long after the AR quits or needs a shop level fix.

For an individual with no depot level support or with a sudden collapse of the parts aftermarket, the AK is a better "end of the world" rifle, with ammunition concerns being foremost unless one has a .223 AK, (then the concern is mags), but in a short term disruption of law and order, or temporary economic collapse, the AR is generally the better performer for decent shooters if they can afford the EBR premium on them. I personally don't think ARs are worth nearly $1k decently equipped.

My "compromise" is the AK that can shoot, the 5.45x39. Rather than being minute of torso at 200m like the typical AK-47, it is more minute of helmet. Neither would anyone want to stand in front of the AK-74 out to about 650m, which is more than enough range for most purposes imaginable.

That's a decent trade-off for a more rugged/reliable rifle, as might be a Mini-14 with some accuracy enhancements and a pile of 20 round factory mags.
 
Thanks J williams

Thanks Boats, very informative, the kind of info ive been trying to pump out of people for weeks.

hwpaintballer said:
If you don't mind me asking, did you go to trader jerry's and get it?
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no baller i went to Mahoneys in Abingdon, the prices at Trader Jerrys are a bit steep even with the current rise in prices on guns and ammo. Mahoneys is not the cheepest but they are the closest and the price was decent and the costumer service was really good they guys there were fairly knowledgeable.

Speaking of AR's they sold 5 while i was in there. those and 9 mm pistols are flying off their shelves they said. My testerone got the better of me and i went with the larger caliber.
 
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SeanGCO said:
i went ahead and bought one of those "evil" guns the other day. A Glock 23. Just curious whats the major differences between the different manufactures of AR-15's other than price?
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Go to www.m4carbine.net and look at the thread in the technical discussions forum on the M-4 manufacturers chart.
 
stabman said:
Or maybe they'll learn to think for themselves.:)
Education is not some liberal plot to ruin all our traditions. I've had teachers from both sides of the spectrum.
Sure, some were totally anti-gun, but others were hunters.
People are diverse, and that applies to teachers as well.:thumbup:
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Chances are good that things are a bit different in Canada than they are here in the states but the majority of the educational system here is staffed with left leaning folks. Most are unionized and are even expected to vote democrat, instructed by their union heads.

Not speaking them down, I give the utmost respect to those who choose a career in teaching, I just tend to be on the other side of the issues from them.
 
Check out www.ar15.com for all info you need and more on AR type rifles. There are guys there that forge there on uppers and lowers like you guys forge knives its crazy.
 
I wish I'd bought more ammo when I first got into firearms. Oh, the prices those days...

gottahaveit27 said:
I think we need to keep in mind though, that the above is propoganda released by the NRA, and is not a plan stated by Obama.
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I'm not trying to turn this one into a Political thread. The main topic is about stockpiling and preparedness. However, I thought it might be valuable to respond to the notion of Obama's plan. Here's one explicit indicator. Granted, the first document comes from the NRA website, and I have not confirmed it elsewhere:


Obama policy statement: http://www.nraila.org/pdfs/obamaurbanpolicy.pdf

"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets."



NRA breakdown follows below: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4227

"Making the expired federal assault weapons ban permanent." Perhaps no other firearm issue has been more dishonestly portrayed by gun prohibitionists. Notwithstanding their predictions that the ban's expiration in 2004 would bring about the end of civilization, for the last four years the nation's murder rate has been lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. Studies for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the National Institute of Justice, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that gun prohibition or gun control reduces crime. Guns that were affected by the ban are used in only a tiny fraction of violent crime-about 35 times as many people are murdered without any sort of firearm (knives, bare hands, etc.), as with "assault weapons." Obama says that "assault weapons" are machine guns that "belong on foreign battlefields," but that is a lie; the guns are only semi-automatic, and they are not used by a military force anywhere on the planet.

"Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment." The amendment--endorsed by the Fraternal Order of Police--prohibits the release of federal firearm tracing information to anyone other than a law enforcement agency conducting a bona fide criminal investigation. Anti-gun activists oppose the restriction, because it prevents them from obtaining tracing information and using it in frivolous lawsuits against law-abiding firearm manufacturers. Their lawsuits seek to obtain huge financial judgments against firearm manufacturers when a criminal uses a gun to inflict harm, even though the manufacturers have complied with all applicable laws.

"Closing the gun show loophole." There is no "loophole." Under federal law, a firearm dealer must conduct a background check on anyone to whom he sells a gun, regardless of where the sale takes place. A person who is not a dealer may sell a gun from his personal collection without conducting a check. Gun prohibitionists claim that many criminals obtain guns from gun shows, though the most recent federal survey of convicted felons put the figure at only 0.7 percent. They also claim that non-dealers should be required to conduct checks when selling guns at shows, but the legislation they support goes far beyond imposing that lone requirement. In fact, anti-gun members of Congress voted against that limited measure, holding out for a broader bill intended to drive shows out of business.

"Making guns in this country childproof." "Childproof" is a codeword for a variety of schemes designed to prevent the sale of firearms by imposing impossible or highly expensive design requirements, such as biometric shooter-identification systems. While no one opposes keeping children safe, the fact is that accidental firearm-related deaths among children have decreased 86 percent since 1975, even as the numbers of children and guns have risen dramatically. Today, the chances of a child being killed in a firearm accident are less than one in a million.

Edit: Most disturbing is that they're in an open-top jeep, yet no one appears to be packing any heat.

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I have to be gone for a couple of days, so yall please play nice. This is a great thread with a lot of good information so let's not let emotion cause it to degenerate.

Thanks,

jeff
 
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