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3Guardsmen said:
Gianni, I think you're still misunderstanding the function of Rick Hinderer's new, improved lockbar stabilizer (the patented one everybody keeps linking to).
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Sorry I have not misunderstood the function of the Hinderer Cam Lock.
Hinderer Cam Lock (US Patent N° 7.305.768 B2) is not Hinderer Stabilizer.
There are two different mechanisms.

These are the three main purpose:
1) Prevent over extension of the lockbar when unlocking the blade
2) Stabilizer the lockbar when the blade is open
3) Locking the lockbar when the blade is open

Hinderer Stabilizer (HS):
Point 1: OK
Point 2: OK
Point 3: NO

Hinderer Cam Lock (HCL):
Point 1: NO
Point 2: NO
Point 3: OK

The US law for the Patent is very strong.
The question is:
The Cam lock is an improvement of Hinderer stabilizer ? or it is something new..

Two cases:
1- Cam Lock is an improvement of HS:

1A - HS is not a Patent: American law does not consider HCL as a new idea, but only an improvement of something already existing in the market and it is free. THEREFORE IT CAN NOT BE PATENTED.

1B- HS is a Patent: You can patent HCL like an improvement of HS. In this case in HCL patent you can also read the HS patent number, the original starting idea.

2- Cam Lock is something new.
In this case you can not claim anything more than you have written in CML Patent.

Conclusion:
- HCL is not an improvement of HS because there is written nothing in the patent that remind the original one, HS.
- HCL is something different from HS
- Is not known whether HS is a patent… if someone have this information will help this discussion. Right now it seem that there is no patent for it.
 
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Sign me up for one. If I didn't I'd be kicking myself in the ass sometime in the future.

On second thought... If I gotta come up with 159E in the next couple days, take me off the pre order list.
 
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I can't help but like this knife. I hope that you and Mr Hinderer agree on something as I'd buy one of these if so. Personally I think this would be like Michael Walker being mad at Chris Reeve for taking the liner lock and making an integral frame lock. It seems like a natural evolution of the system.
 
Hi Gianni, please put me in the list. Thanks

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2 - Cotherion
3 - FlaMtnBkr
4 - Josh K
5 - ArchAngel
6 - laurin
7 - tomdogma
8 - Kaizen1 - to be confirmed
9 – Haze - to be confirmed
10 – Haze - to be confirmed
11 - cutter 17
12 -madfordiving
13 – unwisefool - to be confirmed
14 - lorenzol
15 - Nadohr1
16 - FlaMtnBkr
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1 - molletta
2 - Cotherion
3 - FlaMtnBkr
4 - Josh K
5 - ArchAngel
6 - laurin
7 - tomdogma
8 - Kaizen1 - to be confirmed
9 – Haze - to be confirmed
10 – Haze - to be confirmed
11 - cutter 17
12 -madfordiving
13 – unwisefool - to be confirmed
14 - lorenzol
15 - Nadohr1
16 - FlaMtnBkr
17 - ti64
18 - Charlie Mike
 
Charlie Mike said:
Sign me up for one. If I didn't I'd be kicking myself in the ass sometime in the future.

On second thought... If I gotta come up with 159E in the next couple days, take me off the pre order list.
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What did I miss? I see no mention of coming up with 159 euros in the next couple days...
 
LorenzoL said:
What did I miss? I see no mention of coming up with 159 euros in the next couple days...
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The price for pre-order is 195.00 Euro till 2009-12-31.. after that time will be 295.00 Euro.

I do not understand what daes it mean 159E :confused:
 
demtek9 said:
I can't help but like this knife. I hope that you and Mr Hinderer agree on something as I'd buy one of these if so. Personally I think this would be like Michael Walker being mad at Chris Reeve for taking the liner lock and making an integral frame lock. It seems like a natural evolution of the system.
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I am waiting that Mr. Hinderer write me an answer to my proposal or at least write here or in USN the real true about the LBS Patents.
 
Gianni, let me get something straight here: you are saying that we have to pay 195 euros by Jan. 31st, correct? At the same time you also say that you need 150 names on the list to build the first batch. So what happens if we pay the 195 euros and you do not reach the 150 names threshold?
Basically, I am willing to pay the 195 euros but I also need a somewhat clear delivery date...
 
LorenzoL said:
Gianni, let me get something straight here: you are saying that we have to pay 195 euros by Jan. 31st, correct? At the same time you also say that you need 150 names on the list to build the first batch. So what happens if we pay the 195 euros and you do not reach the 150 names threshold?
Basically, I am willing to pay the 195 euros but I also need a somewhat clear delivery date...
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In this moment we have more that 100 pre-orders so we have decided to start with the productions of the 150 pieces. Delivery time will be at the end of Febbruary or first days of March.
We are sure that we will be able to sell all of then.
 
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2 - Cotherion
3 - FlaMtnBkr
4 - Josh K
5 - ArchAngel
6 - laurin
7 - tomdogma
8 - Kaizen1 - to be confirmed
9 – Haze - to be confirmed
10 – Haze - to be confirmed
11 - cutter 17
12 -madfordiving
13 – unwisefool - to be confirmed
14 - lorenzol
15 - Nadohr1
16 - FlaMtnBkr
17 - ti64
18 - Charlie Mike
19 - demtek9
20 - LorenzoL
 
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Now it would be nice if Mr. Hinderer would reply something. Now. And I say something, even "I need more time".
 
Can we get more info on the prepay? My only knowledge of this knife is this thread and this is the first I have heard of a known set date for prepay. I probably wouldn't get them if I missed the chance to buy at a reduced pre paid price. Thanks!
 
giannip68 said:
I do not understand what daes it mean 159E :confused:
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I accidentally transposed the number... shoulda read 195E. The current conversion would be $281 (rounded to the nearest $). If you can extend the pre-order by one month, I would JUMP at this chance. If not, I may need to borrow from the wife.:eek:
 
Charlie Mike said:
If you can extend the pre-order by one month, I would JUMP at this chance. If not, I may need to borrow from the wife.:eek:
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I agree with CM, if the pre-order got extended, I'm in, too. I for some reason watched this thread in the beginning, but then kind of forgot about it. Also, I imagine there's a concern to pony up the $ prior to something worked out with Mr. Hinderer, regardless of anyone's opinion if it's a patent infringement for not.
 
Uncomfortable spending money on something with issues still pending, would be willing to pre-order after knowing all issues were resolved..
 
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