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If ESEE didnt have the outstanding warranty that they do, would you still stand behind thier products as we all do now?

My question is a result of watching a knife review on youtube by bluntruth4u on the BRK&T Bravo-1. His opinion of the bravo 1 compared to an ESEE was that instead of having an outstanding warranty like ESEE why not just make an outstanding knife like the Bravo-1.

We all know everyone has an opinion..My opinion in that ESEE produces bulletproof products, awesome warranty or not...Having a great warranty like ESEE means that they stand behind thier product, believeing in them completely.

That being said, i would buy ESEE knives regardless of warranty because they are excellent/awesome field knives.

what say you?

-G1
 
i'd still buy my esee-4 and junglas even if they didn't have their no bs warranty and just went with the standard warranty in the industry. to be honest, in my case the warranty didn't even play a part in my buying decision although i have no doubt it plays a big part in the used market since you have no idea how the previous owner treated the knife.

i recently got rid of my rc-5 and decided to keep my becker bk-2 purely because i prefer the bk-2's handle ergonomics and blade shape.

...so yeah, esee's warranty is just icing on the cake since the knives' design & rowen's manufacturing quality can back it up but it's nice to know it's there for piece of mind...imho.
 
Who would buy any product because of the warranty? You buy a product because it's a great product. The inclusiveness of the warranty is an indicator of the manufacturer's confidence in their product and their commitment to customer service. The ESEE warranty is almost a dare to try to trash their knives. Good luck with that.
 
If ESEE didnt have the outstanding warranty that they do, would you still stand behind thier products as we all do now?

My question is a result of watching a knife review on youtube by bluntruth4u on the BRK&T Bravo-1. His opinion of the bravo 1 compared to an ESEE was that instead of having an outstanding warranty like ESEE why not just make an outstanding knife like the Bravo-1.

We all know everyone has an opinion..My opinion in that ESEE produces bulletproof products, awesome warranty or not...Having a great warranty like ESEE means that they stand behind thier product, believeing in them completely.

That being said, i would buy ESEE knives regardless of warranty because they are excellent/awesome field knives.

what say you?

-G1

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the highlighted part. I wasn't aware that ESEE didn't make an outstanding knife capable of withstanding an extreme amount of use (and even abuse).

What first attracted me to the ESEE line was their reputation for quality and toughness (at a price point that folks like me can afford). The warranty was just icing on the cake. Heck, I think that the reason ESEE is able to offer the best warranty going is due to the fact that their knives are that good.

So to answer the question, yes - I'd still buy ESEE if the warranty was different.

Unless I've missed hundreds of threads complaining about ESEE knives failing, I think that Blunt's comment there were a little off the mark. :p

ETA: 100 posts!
 
hell yes I would, I haven't found anybody that has made a knife that can compare to the ESEE 5, hell the only way that I think you can tear one up would be to drop it from a 10 story building........ What impress's me most is that after using the RC. ESEE knives and putting them through hard use they still keep a factory edge...All I have to do is hit it with some compound and strop and they come back to shaving sharp......I've got a few custom knives that I have to start with a 600 grit diamond stone, just to get a good edge, I don't have to do that with my RC, ESEE knives...... that's how good of a product they make, regardless of the warranty.....
 
Personally I think that we would. The warranty just means they stand behind it.
Bravo 1 is an outstanding knife, no doubt about it. But so is ESEE-4. Between them I see the price difference being in the steel and the convex edge.

On the other hand BK2 and ESEE-5 are also directly comparable. Becker has some handle problems so mostly to get rid of that you'll get the micarta handles. So from 60-ish$ we go to 90-ish$. And some have the problem with the sheath. Wan a new sheath - welcome to near ESEE-5 price point. The 2 more things are the bowdrill hole and the glass breaker. Sure BK2 can get those with some modifications but that means time an effort.

BRKT also has an outstanding warranty from what I heard so they stand behind their product. And Ka-Bar has their warranty that makes a lot of sense actually. They do their best to make everything they can for the customer, but for every one of us that is educated in a way when it comes to knives there are at least 15 to 20 ppl that aren't. They just see a Ka-Bar and think it can do anything because the Marines used it.
 
I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the highlighted part. I wasn't aware that ESEE didn't make an outstanding knife capable of withstanding an extreme amount of use (and even abuse).

What first attracted me to the ESEE line was their reputation for quality and toughness (at a price point that folks like me can afford). The warranty was just icing on the cake. Heck, I think that the reason ESEE is able to offer the best warranty going is due to the fact that their knives are that good.

So to answer the question, yes - I'd still buy ESEE if the warranty was different.

Unless I've missed hundreds of threads complaining about ESEE knives failing, I think that Blunt's comment there were a little off the mark. :p

ETA: 100 posts!

Thats what got me wondering too? ESEE knives are incredible products....just remember this is about a video i saw on youtube and i do not share the same views as the video does. I dont have any other users anymore since i got into ESEE knives...just ESEE's.
 
I didn't buy any of my ESEE knives because of the warranty, I bought them becase they are first class blades! The unbelieveable warranty is just the iceing on the cake. Mike and Jeff sell some of the best knives you can buy, but some things that truly sets them apart is their honesty and lack of greed like other companies. They could easily charge more for such great products but they don't, they put the money back into the company to keep prices down and to keep giving us the best products at great prices. The ESEE warranty is simply a reflection of Jeff's and Mike's character.
 
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My question is a result of watching a knife review on youtube by bluntruth4u on the BRK&T Bravo-1. His opinion of the bravo 1 compared to an ESEE was that instead of having an outstanding warranty like ESEE why not just make an outstanding knife like the Bravo-1.

Like some other people, I am reading that as, "ESEE doesn't make an excellent product."

"Blunt Truth For You," eh? Sounds like a blunt, a Doberman blunt.

If you want to spend that much on a knife, like a Bark River, why not get one of Fiddleback's knives or a Koyote? A Breeden? There are about six guys who frequent the WSS Forum, catering to our field of interest, why not stoke them with money?

I don't have anything against Bark River but it is really hard to justify those prices when you can get a custom for that much or just a very small amount more.
 
The ESEE warranty is nice, but it didn't make or break my decision to buy the knives. The philosophy behind the warranty holds more weight than the actual replacement of a $100 knife if I were to break one somehow.
 
If ESEE didnt have the outstanding warranty that they do, would you still stand behind thier products as we all do now?

-G1


Hmm you asked for a honest answer but I wonder if thats what your getting. :confused: Lets say for the sake of argument they changed their warranty to a 2 year limited or whatever. I would honestly not buy another knife, not out of spite or anger but because the value ESEE knives have to me is in the fact they are backed up entirely.

If a company's not willing to put their pocketbook on the line it makes me wonder why I should put my safety/life on the line. If a EDC knife broke I could care less but if i'm on a canoe camping trip and my main knife breaks I'm in trouble.

I have full faith in ESEE as long as they have faith in themselves. :)
 
I've used my RC-3 and I really the blade. So just from my own experience, I'd stand behind this product, cause it does the job for me in a more than satisfying way. The other way round: If a company had such a warranty like ESEE, but their knives weren't worth a dime I'd just don't care and move on to another company. Warranty isn't everything for me.
 
I like Bluntruth4u, he is a good guy and has some good knowledge and experience with knives. When I asked him about his preference for the Bravo 1 over his ESEE knives he stated it is mostly a preference for the A2 steel and that ESEE knives are excellent, he just feels not as excellent.

General consensus is a satin finished, convex blade is a better performer and many people are goo-goo-ga-ga over the handles and overall fit and finish of Bark River knives. Most with experience with both brands of knives will agree the A2 steel Bark River knives do have better edge retention as well as still remaining extremely tough and a little better with corrosion resistance .

It's all about what you want and your price point. The guy does truly like and recommend ESEE knives however.
 
Yep, I'd still buy ESEE. Because ESEE is the 98% solution for 60% of the cost. Or 70% of the cost at most. Lessee... ESEE-6 is 66% of the cost of the Bravo-1. So yeah, 98% solution (at least, although I would propose the ESEE-6 is more capable than the Bravo-1) for 66% cost. Simple economics. When you go to a knife that is more comparable in size (ESEE-4), the economics against the Bravo are even worse. That doesn't consider the warranty at all. Nor the (IMO) detracting factor on the Bravo that it is much thicker, requiring a convex blade in order to cut reasonably.

And this is coming from a guy that has a lot of BR knives. I'm not trying to badmouth BRK. It is just that imo with BRK you are paying a lot more for pretty, without getting much if anything more in performance. For some, that is a worthwhile factor. For others, no so much.

eneral consensus is a satin finished, convex blade is a better performer and many people are goo-goo-ga-ga over the handles and overall fit and finish of Bark River knives. Most with experience with both brands of knives will agree the A2 steel Bark River knives do have better edge retention as well as still remaining extremely tough and a little better with corrosion resistance .

Not me. I do not agree that their A2 has better edge retention. It is more corrosion resistant, IME.
 
ESEE makes a great knife and people now know that. There was a time however when RAT knives weren't well known as the extremely well made and tough blades that they are. The fact that Mike and Jeff were prepared to stand behind their product was definitely a selling point. Now the warranty shows that ESSE knives both believes in, and stands behind, their products.

The warranty effects peoples purchases. I.E. Tops knives only warranties their knives to the original owner, hence, their resale value is reduced (and confidence in their product). Buck knives stands behind knives made 30 years ago which is why the 110 is still considered a great buy even if 420HC is not a super steel. (Translation, I buy ESEE and Buck, not Tops);) A good warranty gives people confidence to risk their money (especially those with limited funds) on the companies product. When they find it is a good product, then word of mouth increases sales.

Companies that stand behind their products have a better reputation, more repeat sales and overall better customer satisfaction.
 
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I think that the warranty shows the confidence that ESEE has in their products. Just sayin'. Moose
 
I don't care what a warranty says, I want to know who wrote it, lawyers or men? That will tell you how good it is.

Let me ask you this, if Obama, a lawyer, and ESEE all wrote the same EXACT warranty word for word, who do you think would be most likely to honor it?

Words mean NOTHING.
 
I'd say the ESEE knives I own ARE exceptional knives-granted the RC3 needs serious handle work, but there's not a thing in this world I could do to the HEST or RC5 to break it in the field, so...
 
here
s the link, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-R7-Ww03t8

BRKT also has a great warranty, it's just not stated as plainly as ESEE's warranty policy.

having a great warranty doesn't mean that a product is more likely to fail... look at Dillon reloading presses for example.

some companies with great reputations don't have warranties as long as lesser companies, compare Toyota vs. Hyundai for example. one needs the super long warranty, the other doesn't.
 
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