An honest question.

I don't care what a warranty says, I want to know who wrote it, lawyers or men? That will tell you how good it is.

Let me ask you this, if Obama, a lawyer, and ESEE all wrote the same EXACT warranty word for word, who do you think would be most likely to honor it?

Words mean NOTHING.

???????Not quite following your point unless it is that some live up to their word /warranty and some do not. If a company has a warranty and does not live up to it then people find that out and take that into account when deciding to purchase a product just like they do when deciding to purchase a product from a company that does live up to its warranty.

Words are the medium by which we communicate. In this case the communication is that the ESEE will stand behind its product. (a warranty) By all reports I have ever heard ESEE lives up to its word / product warranty.
 
I carry the knife every day, I don't carry a printed off warranty with me. When the crud hits the road I'm not pulling out my warranty, the warranty does me no good when I'm lost in the desert. Or some sort of urban disaster. I would buy this knife it had no warranty at all.

Ps, I'm talking about my HEST.
 
I carry the knife every day, I don't carry a printed off warranty with me. When the crud hits the road I'm not pulling out my warranty, the warranty does me no good when I'm lost in the desert. Or some sort of urban disaster. I would buy this knife it had no warranty at all.

Ps, I'm talking about my HEST.

Exactly. In a survival scenario warranty doesn't mean crap. These knife testers that use knives only in abusive testing capacities don't have a realistic view of using blades as they were meant to be used...
 
The warranty offers peace of mind that I believe is a part of the whole ESEE experience.

In reality ESEE, BRKT have exactly the same warranty.

These two companies are my favorite knife companies bar none.

IMO the warranty is a big part of this preference. Would I buy the knives without it??

I most likely would, however I think I would use them differently.
 
Exactly. In a survival scenario warranty doesn't mean crap. These knife testers that use knives only in abusive testing capacities don't have a realistic view of using blades as they were meant to be used...

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. On one hand you say a warranty is useless in a real survival setting, but then you say abusive testing is also worthless because it's not what they were designed for.

My knife does not sit in a showcase. Its a hammer, pry-bar, drill, club, hatchet, and then a knife all in one so those abusive testing is right what I want to see. For the price point ESEE holds up spectacularly. :)
 
For me the answer is yes.

I buy their knives mainly for the design, the build, and the quality... the warranty is one of those "nice to haves"... i appreciate it, but will likely never need it anyway! :)
 
BRKT and ESEE are both top notch companies with outstanding warranties.

I own and have owned many blades from both companies. My Bravo 1 is hands down the best blade I have ever owned. Ive used it alot. ALOT. For many things. I completely disagree that a knife as thick as the Bravo needs to be a convex grind to cut efficiantly. Try one of Laconicos flat grind knives. Ive had 3/16th Scandis that were amazing.

Its all in your preferance. I prefer the Bravo to the ESEE4 due to a better fit for my hands in the handle, lack of Choil, and I truely believe in the Convex grind for my hardwoods enviroment. It has nothing to do withit being pretty or whatever. Trust me, mine isnt too pretty anymore lol...

ESEE has a better price point, but I dont believe in chastizing anyone for what they spend on a blade or anything else for that matter. To me, its like Glock vs. Sig.... Both great. Just differant animals.

Warranty is one of many factors I look at when buyin a blade.
 
Warranty aside, if I looked at this forum, saw the broken knife pics I've seen and read the stories, (which is what i did) I'd buy the knives (which I did). When a 230lb guy says he broke the tip off his knife while it was jammed in a stump, then I figure that 150lb me can beat the hell out of that same knife but expect that if I hammer it into a stump and stand on it, it might break.
That tells me that it is a knife I can rely on, within a reasonable and known limit. I feel much more comfortable with a piece of equipment with a known point of failure than one with an an unknown.
Then when I look at the price and see that for the cost I can buy knives that I don't feel are as good, or have more marketing hype. Or I can spend much more and get a much prettier knife, that isn't as strong, or even more than that to get a pretty knife that will take that abuse. So even with no warranty at all, I'd still buy ESEE/RATs as long as I had that durability info.
Hope that makes sense.
 
THe warranty caught my attention. As I've posted before - in my 4x4 world, there's the Shrockworks stuff - bombproof bumpers and rock sliders...for the rock crawling crowd...Jim KNOWS that his stuff is gonna get banged on, beat on, creamed...

but he stands up and says "if you can break it - I'll replace it - Free!" Yeah...that kind of attitude makes me VERY loyal to his stuff. I've built 3 rigs now...armored all 4 sides with his iron. I hand out his cards at events if anyone asks about my rigs.

so...the warranty brought me to the RC/ESEE family of knives...then getting to know the people behind the brand (Jeff, Mike, the Rowans)...the people who used the brand... the people who help out so much on this forum...how much afinity I felt in this crowd of "users" primarily....that's the juice that makes me dump all other brands and now I am just about all RC/ESEE. The "people of the brand" just rock. The knives are bombproof. I'm done. Happy. Done. Infantry for life...and yeah...ESEE for life too.
 
This thread is amusing. Generally, we don't poor mouth other knives here unless they have really earned the thrashing, but this quote from "blunt ruth" really tops it:

His opinion of the bravo 1 compared to an ESEE was that instead of having an outstanding warranty like ESEE why not just make an outstanding knife like the Bravo-1.

Why do I find this funny? Because I owned a Bravo-1, which is currently residing in the Netherlands. I got rid of it because it was a vastly overrated piece, far from outstanding in fact.

Cons in descending order of importance:

1) Slickly finished handle slabs more suited to a display piece than a field knife. Yes, I could have roughed it up, but maybe they shouldn't have tried to mirror polish fibermascus at the factory?

2) The sheath was a poor attempt at a good kydex sheath, especially for the money demanded.

3) Spine thickness to blade height ratio. It's all wrong in the hand. A zero degree convex edge is one of my favorites, but leading up to a .215 inch thick spine makes the knife more of a wedger than a cutter.

4) The "striker" ramp that people mistakenly called a thumb ramp. Perhaps a neat idea in principle but it messes up the knife ergonomics something fierce for some common holds.

5) Price: There is not a lot of value inherent to the Bravo-1 when one considers that A2 is a relatively inexpensive air hardening tool steel which is laser or water jet blanked and ground to final shape. The cheap sheath has already been mentioned.

Long story short, there are a whole lot of better picks in terms of value at the typical $185-240 price slot of the BRKT Bravo-1. Heck, there are better value/more impressive steel true customs available in this price bracket too.

I think that most ESEE customers would still be buyers without the totally kick ass warranty because they know bang for the buck performance when they see it--and more importantly--spend their own money for it.

Since ESEE does have a kick ass warranty, all the better.
 
Warranties sell knives before people know they are well built and bomb proof. There is also the point that a good warranty is only fiscally possible with a good product. If ESEE was having to replace / repair every other knife they sold, then they would not be able to afford the no questions asked warranty that they have. Instead, because the make a really good knife, they have very few problems, which they fix.;)
 
Exactly. In a survival scenario warranty doesn't mean crap. These knife testers that use knives only in abusive testing capacities don't have a realistic view of using blades as they were meant to be used...

Been saying that for years on here...
 
I like the blade shape, coating, overall feel etc of ESEE's. To me the warranty is the icing on the cake :D
 
I bought all the Esee's because I think they are the best design and construction I've came across. I didn't put over $1000 into Esee products if I had any doubts about quality.
As far as the warranty is concerned , Esee's commitment to customer satisfaction is just an added bonus ( and an appreciated one.)
 
If you are buying a knife for a warranty, then in my opinion you shouldn't be buying a knife at all. You buy the knife because you like the knife, not the warranty. You don't need a warranty if you use it within the limits. In a survival situation, the warranty will not matter anyway.(as stated)
 
compare Toyota vs. Hyundai for example. one needs the super long warranty, the other doesn't.

product recognition.. a smart move IMO, comparing pears to kiwi's..its helped them to move product and gain a solid customer base all along strengthening their product with better quality parts, unlike the crap they were selling when they first came to the USA..

OP, to answer your question I'd have to say no, although I like what ESEE has to offer aside the warranty, I'd be more open to buying a comparable product for less, example... I'd buy an RTAK II over the Junglas in a heart beat, and with the savings buy an ESEE4.. They are pretty much apples to apples here, its the warranty that push's ESEE over the top...

With that said,, ahh never mind I'll just start a thread about it.. ;)

EDIT: btw, I like bluntruth4u videos.. maybe its the simplicity and just plain keeping it real..
 
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I own both Brands and both are good....
I choose ESEE b/c of the simplicity of the ergo's and it is 1095 which is easily field sharpened & it is a great knife for these hard times...budget friendly and still get all the bang from more expensive knives....
 
The only problem with vehicle warranty comparisons to knife warranties is...they're not apples and oranges, they're apples and anvils.

The same could be said for Smith & Wesson Vs. Taurus when it comes to firearms. I cannot tell you how many Taurus owners I have heard bragging about that warranty and like someone else pointed out about Toyotas and Hyundai, you are going to need that warranty with the Taurus.

The drive train of a vehicle or works of a revolver or semi-automatic handgun are complicated pieces of machinery compared to a fixed blade knife.

If you don't abuse the knife, it's quite likely you will never need to use the warranty at all.

This October, Bladeforums will be 12 years old and I was on Knifeforums before this place was born and people have been inventing ways to destroy products for years. To me, most of the "controversies" created by various people is 100% toilet fodder.
 
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