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R.A.T. said:
I 100 percent agree! I have always said the easiest way to control immigration (legal or otherwise) is to take the social support system away. Open the borders. But if you come here then realize that you will get NOTHING for free. Including emergency health care.
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YES!

I can think back 7 1/2 yrs when Kaela was born. We were trying to get her medical insurance through the state to subisdise our private medical insurance. We were denied accesss to the program b/c we made "too much money." In the process of trying to get on the program we found ALL KINDS of assistance for people that weren't even legal! She was a legal, in need of medical assistance we were going into debt to provide and we couldn't get a dime!
 
I 100 percent agree! I have always said the easiest way to control immigration (legal or otherwise) is to take the social support system away. Open the borders. But if you come here then realize that you will get NOTHING for free. Including emergency health care.
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This is the first statement I've seen here that I agree with 100%
 
I 100 percent agree! I have always said the easiest way to control immigration (legal or otherwise) is to take the social support system away. Open the borders. But if you come here then realize that you will get NOTHING for free. Including emergency health care.
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On second thought, this is even better, because once some of the existing citizens realize they have to actually work for what they have, they might leave and make room for those that want to. Ok, so they likely wouldnt leave, but yeah...it sounds good in theory.
 
maybe we should change this slogan due to the times it was written,
"They came here for several centuries for the same reasons – freedom and hope -- and then a Frenchman created a statue that embodied their hopes and dreams. And it embodied America's promise as well. "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."THE STATUE OF LIBERTY
 
Hey lets change the constitution and declaration of independence too. They are both outdated. Full of promises that cant be delivered.
 
awe hell why not,They are doing it everyday anyways without any thought of it....
Promises that if you strive for the Opportunity it is there for those who work for it... not given to you.
 
R.A.T. said:
I 100 percent agree! I have always said the easiest way to control immigration (legal or otherwise) is to take the social support system away. Open the borders. But if you come here then realize that you will get NOTHING for free. Including emergency health care.
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Could you please clarify whether you meant to take welfare away from all US residents...or just immigrants? Some posters seem to think you meant that they, as "citizens", would still have socialized education, healthcare, welfare, etc. :confused:

IMHO, the reason that immigration is "different now" is that the US has become socialistic and therefore suffers new problems from that. IOW, immigrants didn't change; the US did. In the US of old, no one got anything "for free".
 
mercedesrules said:
Could you please clarify whether you meant to take welfare away from all US residents...or just immigrants? Some posters seem to think you meant that they, as "citizens", would still have socialized education, healthcare, welfare, etc. :confused:

IMHO, the reason that immigration is "different now" is that the US has become socialistic and therefore suffers new problems from that. IOW, immigrants didn't change; the US did. In the US of old, no one got anything "for free".
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if i'm the "poster" you're referring to I have no problem with my kid not receiving medical insurance. So long as someone makes medical care AFFORDABLE! that's the part that kills people. I sit here right now in need of medical care, yet i have no insurance so it's not going to happen. People can't always afford even the "cheapest" of places to get medical care.
 
im in that boat Mrs. shotty.... i cant aford health care , i have to have a saved amount of cash just in case i do show up at an ER as is... and even then the amount of care you recieve can be lack luster at best. the emts treated me better last time it happend. that is i dont have money after i pay my insurance....

The prices and how medical things get done in this country are astounding to say the least. its built to provide less care at higher cost..... politics aside(there all liars any way right). basic health care is something i think every one should have access to.

as for socialized med. maybe it is the way. consitering the vast majority of world leading countries with atleast basic health care taken care of. yet if we get the best care in the world why is our infant mortality rates so high? we are behind in so many ways. the insurance and paper pushers eat up most of the money in our system.

hell half the time if i can aford the doctor i cant aford the perscriptions. add on top of that if you get any pain medicene you magicaly now a druggie.

access does not mean entitledment. if you can aford it and need it you should be able to get it.
 
somberbear said:
access does not mean entitledment. if you can aford it and need it you should be able to get it.
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Thank you.

I sat listening to our President last night and my take is that he wants to provide health care insurance to everyone but doesn't want everyone to pay their fair share. I feel that even if someone is on welfare, they should pay something toward their health care, even if it's only five bucks a month. I've seen many people in line at the grocery paying with food stamps for stuff that they don't NEED. I feel that they should give up some of their WANTS to pay for the things that they NEED. Otherwise, they just keep taking with no thought of who is paying for it.
 
not to side track the thread but I got a notice that my healthcare has gone up...just for myself & my son $600 a month,Ouch ,I will feel that bigtime...
 
One way to lower the cost of health care would be to not allow the frivilous lawsuits that happen every day. Hospitals and doctors pay huge amounts for insurance because of them. Guess who ultimately pays for their insurance. We do, by being charged more for their services.

If our health care is turned over to the government start looking for longer wait times to be seen and less care. Government will start to deny care for the elderly (to cut costs). We will have fewer and fewer doctors (if they can not make a good living anymore they will not go to med school). And lets not forget that you taxes will go up. They say that it will not happen but be real. Look at the tax rates of Germany, England, Canada, etc.
 
Insurance was once thought to be a protection against catastrophic loss. Now, we want the insurance companies to pay for everything from a paper cut to a nick in the paint on our vehicle. This, along with greed and corruption, cause insurance premiums to be practically out of reach for the average person. For years I've been hating insurance companies and banks. The recent bailouts have reinforced that hate.
 
Mrs.Shotgunner11 said:
if i'm the "poster" you're referring to I have no problem with my kid not receiving medical insurance. So long as someone makes medical care AFFORDABLE! that's the part that kills people. I sit here right now in need of medical care, yet i have no insurance so it's not going to happen. People can't always afford even the "cheapest" of places to get medical care.
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Interesting article on why "health care" might be so expensive:

The concept of reimbursable health-care service rests on the premise that the medical problem in need of servicing is the result of involuntary, unwanted happenings, not the result of voluntary, goal-directed behavior. Leukemia, lupus, prostate cancer, and many infectious diseases are unwanted happenings. Are we going to count obesity, smoking, depression and schizophrenia as the same kinds of diseases?
 
600 dollars a month? Are you joking?
You'd be better of starting a health-fund and investing that money into an account.
 
Actually, most of the health care costs in this country are spent as diminishing returns on the elderly, in pursuit of "quality of life." People just used to die when their time was up, and they certainly didn't get a titanium hip replacement at 80.

The average life span has shot up more than a decade since the 1930s. With the advances in surgical techniques, cardiology, pharmaceuticals, and things like chemotherapy and dialysis, that last decade or more has become freaking expensive.
 
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