Another one of my BM's edge is toast.

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privateisland said:
But if the edge is THRASHED then you cannot do the precision work.
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I have lots of questions: How much precision work were you doing with the BM-E before you "thrashed" the edge? And what kind of precision work were you doing? Have you tried any such precision work with the dinged up edge? Was this real precision work or hypothetical precision work?

Also, what would be wrong with a two-knife scenario instead of a one-knife/one-hatchet scenario? Why the immediate leap to a hatchet/knife combo?

My take? A good hatchet can outpace a big knife on cross chopping by a bit. However, a big knife cross-chops well enough and will do a better job splitting wood because you can use a baton log. Try splitting off chunks of large logs with a hatchet. It ain't easy. Granted, nothing outshines a big axe for wood chopping/splitting duties, but a hatchet just ain't an axe. Head is smaller, handle is shorter.

The best compromise (and it's always a compromise) IMO is a big knife/small knife combo. YMMV.
 
Elen said:
if you have the patience of a monk and the wrist strength of an African bull elephant, sure, you can get a decent result even.
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FINALLY! Someone who understands me! :thumbup:

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to whittle some tiny animal carvings with my FBM LE...


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Guyon, I actively do bushcraft skills (have done it for years). Anything you can think of...
Making holes in a fire board for a hand drill set, making cordage, making cuts to make small promotory pegs etc. I even used one this summer to smooth out a bow I was making. I'm not some newbie who watched Survivorman once and plans to live off the land :>)
 
Gerberblades said:
Using the choil I can do lots of fine work with a HH and a FBMLE.
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That's why I asked the questions I asked. Chopping into dirt produces damage further out on the blade edge. Any fine work with a big knife is going to happen back toward the choil. I'm having a hard time imagining what kind of "precision work" I'd do with the middle of the blade on a BM-E. None, I guess.

privateisland said:
Guyon, I actively do bushcraft skills (have done it for years). Anything you can think of...
Making holes in a fire board for a hand drill set, making cordage, making cuts to make small promotory pegs etc. I even used one this summer to smooth out a bow I was making. I'm not some newbie who watched Survivorman once and plans to live off the land :>)
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If you've done this for years, I'd think you'd know not to chop a valuable edge into the ground--knife or hatchet or axe.

There's no sharp spot on that BM-E where you could still manage some of the work you mention above? The only precision work that would be entirely hampered by a damaged edge would be some sort of precise slicing that requires the length of the blade--something like filleting a fish. And the BM-E would not be my knife of choice for filleting a fish. Not the size I catch anyway. Just ask Tony G!
 
Lycosa said:
I smell something. Doesn't anyone else??
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I've been smelling something that starts with T for a while now, but I've truly tried to look into my heart and give the benefit of doubt. Hopefully, that whiff I'm getting is just yesterday's taco coming back to haunt me.
 
Lycosa, I like how you now are pissed because I post pics of my blade. That's pretty sad, I've owned Busse's probably longer then most on the "Busse Forum". Many people know me in the "bushcraft community" so I have nothing to prove to you. So, say what you'd like, I'll not waste my time or yours.
 
I never got the impression that privateisland was "trolling"

chit hit the fan as far as the edge on his BMe goes and now he is posting what happened to get every ones else s opinions.

It is what it is. If I am not impressed with Busse I will simply not buy it. The problem is I pretty damn impressed with infi. I really can't imagine any other blade holding up to the stupid chit I put Busse through...
 
privateisland, let's review... You didn't really post much of a picture, now did you? Take away the text, post this in General, and ask what it is. Not many people will answer "a knife."

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Folks have asked about your intentions or your point here. If you're looking for affirmation that Busses suck, you've come to the wrong place. I think this post made the point well:

Elen said:
I have to say I do wonder where you're trying to go with this, though. If you're concerned that your BM is defective, send it to Busse. If you think you've broken it, send it to Busse. If you're expecting everyone else to come up and state "You know what, it's true, Busses aren't really that tough, and certainly no more tough than any other quality knife" then I expect you're going to have to do a lot of waiting... :D If you want to get rid of the BM, I'll bet it would sell quickly on the exchange right here. So, what are we looking at here?
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You dramatically claimed you're going to sell all your choppers now, which makes me wonder why you bought them in the first place.

You claimed to have done bushcraft for years, yet you're chopping into the ground and wondering why you have edge damage.

You've been asked how you'd use a BM-E for precision work, and while you've mentioned some jobs, you haven't explain how the damaged edge prevents you from doing them with a BM-E. In fact, you once wrote about your BM-E:

privateisland said:
My ergo is a POS in the fine cutting department and it's much thinner.
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Lots of things don't add up. Sorry if this seems confrontational, but I'm in the camp wondering: what's this fellow's point?

It seems we've been down this road before regarding your FFBM:

privateisland said:
As for the chips, I let him "do what he wanted" with it. He came to all the same conclusions I did. I looked at the edge and was very surprised with the small nicks. So I asked him "how did you nick this edge". He knew it was an expensive knife and thought I was going to kill him... Nope, just tell me how you did it....
He said he hit/broke many small dead 3-4" branches, 2x4 etc. I asked about dirt, stone, metal etc. The only think we can think of, was that a dead branch on the ground had dirt on it. So when he hit the branch, he struck small piece of quartz (common in the are and dirt he was chopping).

But, for the rolled metal, I am lost on how he did that...
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Yes, Busse edges can be damaged just like any other edge. The knives don't emit laser beams just before they strike rock. However, the steel is an exceptional combination of a range of desirable qualities.

So... as Elen put it, what are we looking at here?
 
Guy, Yep, that's why I called the post "another BM edge is toast". The BM-E had a brand spanking new sharpened edge. It was sharpened in June 08 and it has not been touched until 2 weeks ago.

Some people have more brand loyalty then others. I guess you are one of them. Heck you advertise your "pork name" in every post. I personally have little brand loyalty.

I am a "consumer" and not a "shareholder". So I am just reporting my own experience. I get no monetary gain whether Busse is making a profit or taking a loss. I am just a end user. I've never been a follower and always a leader. I guess some people just cannot do that.
 
Busse's are tough. period :D

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privateisland said:
I have owned Busse's for years. Overall they are nice blades. I remember when they first started making the INFI metal, they had video's of a blade doing some amazing things. Since owning them, I think they are pretty well made and the steel is good.

Well, I took my BM-E out 2 wks ago and for the hell of it, I chopped some old 2x4's for some extra (camping) firewood. This is the second BM that I've really rolled, flattened, chipped etc the edge. It hit the 2x4 and some loose dirt. I'll take some pics of it and post it. I mean the edge is going to need to be reground by a lot :>(

I'm not saying it's a poor blade, I bet most of my blades would have got just as banged up. The only big difference I've noticed with INFI is how corrosion resistant the metal is. I can use it in the field and not have to worry about it rusting overnight. Other then that, both of my BM's have had the edge really f'd up by simple chopping.

I'm kind of disappointed in it's performance, I'm not sure why it happened? Anybody else have this happen while chopping? I'm posting a scan (I don't have a camera with me).
It's a asymmetrical edge and I'm showing you the side that you sharpen. It's a pretty wide grind so I thought you could see that side better. On the other side it's rolled all the way to the crinkle coat.
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Your experience has been far different than mine with INFI choppers. In my experience, they're extremely tough when chopping wood (and wood only) and actually hold a considerably better edge than my Eastwing hatchet does.
 
privateisland, rather than make this about me, let's review some more...

privateisland said:
I'm kind of disappointed in it's performance, I'm not sure why it happened? Anybody else have this happen while chopping?
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privateisland said:
I'm just disappointed in the blade. I originally bought it because of all the hype of them being "Nuclear tough". I'll admit it's a nice blade, but it's performance is as good as any of my other blades IMO.
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privateisland said:
Greg, You'd be super disappointed if you'd had read about INFI when it first came out. You would have thought you could cut through ANYTHING! :>(
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Is this really about just "reporting my own experience" or about beating the dead horse of disappointment into the ground?
 
I'll be honest, I'm very experienced with spotting trends, the economy, stocks etc. I'll tell you what I'm getting from this thread...

1. The economy is slowing down. Extra disposable income is lower.
2. Because of this, the demand for things like "extra knives" etc is going down.
3. "Pork" people own LOTS of Busse's. Because of the laws of supply & demand your investment is going down rapidly. There is a great supply, but little new demand.
4. You are trying to protect the brand image at all costs to protect your investments and try to keep the demand there (there is already a glut of supply).
5. Because of this, you "Pork" people attack me because I could be taking away future earnings of yours.

-sorry about that, it was not my intention. So I'll add this for you...
"Never mind any of my posts, I don't know jack about knives or Busses. I was ignorant and wrong! Busses are the BEST knife ever."
---Now you can be safe knowing your investments are secure :>) ---
 
Your post got me thinking especially because I love the E line so I took my BMe, SHe and NOe outside and chopped some 2X4's went through 2 each pretty fast started with the NOe fast (then) the SHe (faster) then BMe (fastest) could definitely feel the improvement one to the next (at chopping). Anyhoo no chips no rolls maybe I didn't chop long enough and I definitely did not hit any dirt or maybe my edges were done by Ban(need I say more:D). So my advice to you is:

A. Send it back to Busse (because you feel something is not right with your BMe)
B. Do not chop dirt (could cause chipping or rolling)

Complaining that the blades are not Nuclear tough because of edge issues seems excessive.
 
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