Antique Pocketknives 101

[waynorth]

Here is a closeup of a tang with the same format, from a battle scarred, but unmolested Schrade Walden EO Jack. I've added the subject tang for comparison.

 

[Arathol]

The font on the knife in question is totally different from that on the genuine blade. The letters look odd to in comparision. Check out the Ds for example on the phony blade stamp on the left as compared to the one on the right.

 

[waynorth]

I agree the font is different. I will try and find a closer match if possible, but I agree the phony is cut, or recut, by machine!

 

[Rusty1]

Do you remember the company, or can you relocate that info, Rusty??

It may take a while Charlie. I have a feeling it was on these pages when LT was around. I'll see what I can dig up.

Russell

 

[ea42]

Awesome observations on that tang stamps fellas! That totally slipped by me

That would sure explain the odd blade, or oddly ground blade!

Eric

PS- Say Russell, wasn't it a recent post by Fran on the Schrade forum that mentioned the possibilty of different jigging on the Wolfies? It was an older jigging though, not peachseed.

PPS- Charlie, that's a NICE EO! No questioning the pedigree on that one!

 

[cutlersedge]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Schrade-Walden-...in_0?hash=item518b738701&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

I looked at the sellers pictures and the ones posted here. Without having the knife in front of me, and just going by the pictures, I find very little wrong with this knife.

The Jigged bone handles are correct I have seen this jigging on other Schrade knives. There is a space between the liner and the master blade, but lots of knives leaving the factory had this too. I think everyone is reading way too much into this knife, yes the knife has been polished, and could have had a blade replaced. But the tang stamp looks authentic. There has been a lot of discussion about the stamp, all Schrade tang stamps will not be the same. The company had lots and lots of tang stamps that they used, some were worn more than others, this would account for the difference in stamps on their knives. You see this with all manufacturers that have been in business for a long time.

Waynorth, I think you got a good knife for the money!:thumbup:

 

[thawk]

Pictures are deceiving. On the Ebay pictures, the knives were shot at such an angle I did not recognize it as a 236 pattern.

 

[Pipeman]

If I may ask,, who in their right mind would do all that work including redoing the mark for $80.00? Seems strange to me.

Regards

Robin

 

[john april]

If I may ask,, who in their right mind would do all that work including redoing the mark for $80.00? Seems strange to me.

Regards

Robin

i had the same question... lets say he got the knife at a tag sale for 50 cents. to you experienced folder guys, how many hours would you say it would take to "alter" the knife? 8 hours? 10 bucks an hour under the table is better than working at mcdonalds.. woodster

 

[VCM3]

i had the same question... lets say he got the knife at a tag sale for 50 cents. to you experienced folder guys, how many hours would you say it would take to "alter" the knife? 8 hours? 10 bucks an hour under the table is better than working at mcdonalds.. woodster

And,to get the knife at $.50 ,is a stretch,too,IMO.
I think,it's more the "thrill",of the faking,than the profit. But I'd bet,there were instances of big time rip offs,in regards to those old knives.
-Vince

 

[Durwood]

If I may ask,, who in their right mind would do all that work including redoing the mark for $80.00? Seems strange to me.

Regards

Robin

$80 is what the knife sold for this time, right? It may have sold for more previously. As has already been alluded to, profit is only one motivation for fakery.

 

[beau5278]

If I may ask,, who in their right mind would do all that work including redoing the mark for $80.00? Seems strange to me.

Regards

Robin

The last knife that I bought off of ebay was a Camillus 67 pattern stockman with the staglon scales.I paid about $10.00 for it shipped,I thought it looked like a decent enough knife for that.When I got it,it had been "built" from parts,I gave the seller a piece of my mind and he told me that he'd take it back but I figured for $10.00 at least he wasn't going to be selling it to someone else.

 

[waynorth]

I think we can conclude, so far anyway, that;
>the knife has been apart.
>the main blade has been altered or changed out. Witness the mismatch at the tang.
(and I think the tang stamp has been cut or re-cut).
>the whole knife has been over-buffed.

And just to exemplify how much some people love knives, unlike ourselves, the knife hadn't been oiled in a decade! Rust on the mating surfaces sounded like sand on glass when I opened it the first time! Grim!!

 

[waynorth]

I think we can conclude, so far anyway, that;
>the knife has been apart.
>the main blade has been altered or changed out. Witness the mismatch at the tang.
(and I think the tang stamp has been cut or re-cut).
>the whole knife has been over-buffed.

And just to exemplify how much some people love knives, unlike ourselves, the knife hadn't been oiled in a decade! Rust on the mating surfaces sounded like sand on glass when I opened it the first time! Grim!!

I got my microscope back from my son today, and looked at the tang stamp under 40x. The stamp is original!! at 4000 percent, it is easy to see the difference between stamping and machining, and this was stamped with a worn, but original die! You can also tell a cold stamp from an original!!
The spring sits a hair proud, but I can't seem to get a pic of it.
So it is a Schrade blade, that is thinner than the spring. The knife has been apart for sure, done by someone who knows how to fit a rivet. I wonder if it is not the spring that was replaced??

 

[ea42]

Charlie,

I just can't get by the fact that there's no cut swedge on the clip, it's a halmark of this particular knife, and if it is the original blade, then a heck of a lot of steel had to have been taken off the spine to achieve that kind of swedge. You'd have practically no depth left on the long pull in that area. Here's another clearer shot of the example I have with the blades opposing but still the same clip, not sure if Hal's swedge runs quite as deep though. Maybe the only explanation is that whoever had it was extremely over-zealous with the grinding and polishing.The same goes for the odd grind on the pen tang, seems too modern but it could just be a grinding anomally. I've included some templates that show the variances between the clips for the jack and the opposing versus the saber grind blade found on the three blade whittler type version (saber is slightly narrower between spine and edge). That blade of course has nothing to do with the jack version, but I figured I'd throw it in there for comparison of the three versions of that model in it's Cut. Co. form.

Eric

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[Sword and Shield]

One thing that's really bugging me is the choil. That thing was applied with a small round file, and it looks like they slipped while recutting it.

 

[waynorth]

I think there was a cut swedge, but it's been buffed into oblivion!!
And the choil is obviously recut, but poorly.
Beware the knife polisher!!

"I drummel (sic) 'em, then make 'em shinney (sic)!!!!"



Sic(k) all right!

 

[Sauconian]

So....what's your conclusion on the bone ?

Fran

 

[waynorth]

Hard to conclude, Fran. If LT said there was an alternative cut done for some contractor, I'm guessing we need to see more examples.

 

[no-one]

Well, I could not care less what the pedigree of that knife is......I like it
Poncing about, whinging and pontificating about pedigree is of no interest to me...a good knife is a good knife, and that peachseed Schrade is a good knife....period.