Any thoughts on how to make the Practical Tactical forum better?

What about anyone else that has an interest in the Practical Tactical forum? Do you have any postive suggestions on how to make it better?
 
Try ignoring the superflurous B.S., and move forward.

Holierthanthou, from what I've seen from you in this thread, perhaps another, sensitive type forum is more for you.

And, no, what I typed is NOT a put down. Nor is what the others have posted. You are just too obtuse to get it on your own.
 
I believe that we should be more flexible in the PT forum. One of the things i notice is that whenever someone points us to a certain problem certain people jump on the bandwagon and start criticising the posters idea.
Instead of using it as a positive impuls, people get defensive.
Some posters also seem to be very defensive. Some topics become a yes / no debate without people listening to other peoples advice.
Because there are so much variables in Self Defense everyone can always come up with why a certain technique won't work.
I work as a FTO, and every time new LEO's join the force there are always noob's who seems to find a reason why something i just taught is wrong.
(but, what if, etc). Most of the time these "what if" questions keep on for hours untill they realise that nothing is carved in stone, and due to the different variables there is no answer to EVERY "what if " imaginable.
I see the same reflex on the SD forum.
Instead of analyzing the posts, people immediatly start replying why such a technique would NOT work in that or those circumstances.
I believe a knife is a deadly weapon, but if Fred Perrin says he thinks he can use it to give small shallow cuts to open a window of escape i shut up and listen.
This doesn't mean i have to agree with him, but every advice you get should be examined to see if it can be used in your SD arsenal.
 
Hey Code three You dont know a thing about me. Your advice even though you're a moderator is without any merit. Read the post above from Mongo man, that is all I am looking for; some good advice that maybe an intelligent reader might happen by and think, yeah I am going to raise the level of my discourse in the Practical Tactical with the effect that it has the impact of making the forum more of a community. The result is the posters take more chances and share their ideas more freely. By the way if you cant tell that "you are too obtuse" is a put down, you are the wrong person to be moderating anything.
 
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I will stick my nose in for two members who posted in this thread. Code 3 was a firefighter, he can take care of himself, Esav was a postal worker, he can take care of himself, but I would like to defend them just the same.

Nothing in what either wrote in response to your original request was demeaning. You mistook it for that. Both men have only experience to give. I have gained a newfound respect for Code 3 in the past few months as well. Both men sincerely want to help fellow collectors, and will gladly accept help when it is offered.
 
I know how the PT forum can be made better.

Put a disclaimer at the top warning hypersensitive whiners to stay out.
 
...LOL :D

In my not so humble-nor-infallible opinion, people that train to fight other people, whether armed or not, can have some rather strong opinions (!) - on the subject and just in general. In our forum, some folks take it too far, some folks mostly keep themselves in check but have occaisonal bad days, some really don't have anything to contribute and some are going to get their feelings hurt about it. Just the way it is.

On the whole I think it is pretty well self-moderated though. There are a few relatively new people who are maybe tactless and abrasive, nevertheless, I've seen some pretty good stuff posted by some people I thought were just rude jerkoffs - like I said before, everyone has a bad day - sometimes we get too sensitive & sometimes we get too 'punchy'. It goes with the turf.

OTOH, choosing a name that denotes an arrogant and overly sensitive demeanor to begin with, then going and whining about something when you weren't even the one offended - well that is going to carry with it a certain amount of baggage IMO. Kinda like the hall monitor tattle-tailling to the teacher in school.

If it were me, I would say what I had to say to the people I have to say it to and just move on. Afterall, its just a dang internet forum :o
 
Holierthanthou said:
Nothing positive to contribute then Esav?
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Do you? So far you have posted a list of things that bother you about people you don't know talking about subjects that may or may not interest you.

And it appears that unless someone replies in complete agreement with you, you accuse them of putting you down and hurting your feelings.

So what do YOU want? You tell us. Here are some points to consider:

1. Practical Tactical is a controversial forum, tackling controversial--even scary--topics. Most people prefer not to even read the threads. As a direct consequence of having controversial subjects, you get controversial replies. Personally, I like not having the answer. I like the challenge of thinking through someone's reply; it'll either make me question whether I've got the right viewpoint, or whether I was right to hold my ground.

2. This isn't a gardening tips forum. I know a few of the regular posters off-line. I can tell you this is a really rough crowd, often rougher in person. We also have more of the international experts than any other similar forum: recognized authorities, writers, fighters, and instructors. Instead of esoteric threads concerning minute details of exotic situations, we all choose to welcome newcomers one and all on introductory topics and pointers. But it's always a tough crowd, who have by and large seen and done a lot. One reason you won't see Ken Cox demanding an apology from anyone who bashes him is because he neither needs nor wants one. If he ever does need or want an apology, he'll ask for it. And get it. It may surprise you that Ken *might not* appreciate you demanding one on his behalf.

3. You have enormous power to skip, scan, ignore, and correct. If the thread isn't productive for you, skip it. If you want to get to the meat of the matter, scan to it. If you loathe the poster in question, put him or her on ignore... I've got a few people on my ignore list, and I'm sure I'm on a few lists myself. If the thread isn't moving in your direction, correct it by either posting a clarification question or starting a new topic. I mean no condescension when I say it's easy to do... but it IS easy to do, and the quality of replies goes up.

4. Lurk a while longer. Learn what threads trigger the hostile responses, what are the taboo topics, and what the angles are of the various individuals who post here. Contrary to your expectations, we all learn a tremendous amount by what people write, what they say, and why they do it. You will have observed much about people already from reading... but as JGD sagely puts it, sometimes today's jerk is tomorrow's best pal who helps you out.

This is the best classroom in the Internet. No other forum is so compelling, fascinating, and helpful. Other on-line forums are tightly moderated, dry, censored, and sterile, and I don't post there. I like the frank honesty of opinions here. It's liberating. Sure, I think there are times when people more than cross the line, but that ends after a day or two, and people get back to helping each other.

So how would YOU do something helpful, rather than asking the people you criticize to fix your perception for you?
 
someone's sensitive, Lord, kumbaya ...
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The amusing part of the thread is what "Holierthanthou" is complaining about, he is doing himself in his responses. :confused:

In anycase, to answer your question without hurting your sensitive feelings,it would seem that what you propose would be near impossible to create.One could find negativity,sarcasm,critizism in just about any response if one really wants view it as such.You also would never be able to have a different opinion without someone considering it a "put down" "critizism"
I'm confident that even in the most helpful,positive, kind post you will be able to find something offensive about the writing.:yawn:
 
Watchful you asked me for my suggestions thanks for that. I think there should be a sticky that has to be madatory reading for everyone posting there to read. To avoid personal attacks on other poster, I think it should be moderated only so far as that point. I agree with alot of what you have said about the good points of the Practical Tactical but please observe that you dont have any contributions from the top people in the feild because the practical tactical forum alienated them all. Michael Janich chimes in once in a while to sell something, thats about it. The practical tactical forum could be better. There are alot of silent posters who agree with me but dont want to deal with the hostility and negativity I am taking on here to make the Forum better. Oh and Cougar your put down was tired and old.
 
I like how you claim
There are a lot of silent posters who agree with me but don’t want to deal with the hostility and negativity I am taking on here to make the Forum better.
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That is all in your head.

The only thing tired and old is your incessant whining.
 
I agree we lost some good tactical participants as did other forums,but most of that was due to the trolls.Perhap's one way to keep trolls away is to make sure certain areas where they thrive are accessible only to paying members.Trolls are less likely to pay to play.This can be an advantage in forum areas that are controversial.Political,tactical,religion, etc.
I do miss Jim Keating participation here.
 
Ok thanks Tombstone, I think the label troll gets thrown around too easily though. But I think your point about the pay to play is a good one. Maybe it should be that way. And maybe I should think about a membership myself. What do you think about having basically just one rule for the Practical Tactical forum, dont disrespect another poster, Someone moderates for that point and in his or her judgement if your post strays form disagreement into disrespect , the moderator calls you on it. Wouldnt you rather have that? I mean even if the disrespect doesnt bother you personally, dont you think it would elevate the discussion and improve the overall input and contributions? I think it would be great. If anyone else reads this and agrees could you just let us know? And for everybody that has accused me of singing kumbaya or whatever and being a wimp, if I was so sensitive I wouldnt have made this effort, ofcourse somebody could accuse me of being a troll I guess, But to the moderators instead of laying on your dumb put downs, cant you see that I am trying to make BF better? And wouldnt a sticky and moderating for disrespect make it so?
 
Rat Finkenstein : I like you alot better on the swamprat knifeworks forum, you actually seem like a decent person there. I wish that Rat Finkenstein would show up more often on BF. You have alot of potential as a person but so much hate comes pouring out of you on this site.
 
Holierthanthou is no troll. He's not in this to disrupt, he's in it to draw attention to himself.

He wants a rule against disrespect, but he defines disrespect as disagreement with anything he says.

Holierthanthou said:
* whiiinne *
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Hint, little buddy: THAT'S a putdown. And better than you deserve.
 
You know when I read the above post by Esav I think it almost seems like something pathological. Where does it come ? From what I posted here? I dont think so, I think it comes from something ugly deep inside him that has an opportunity to manifest here, where it safe. Talking like this to people in real life would get you beat up. I guess that is the reason for alot of the disrespect that happens here, it is a medium that allows you to be rude and belligerant with no real consequences, at the root is cowardice and ugly hate. So I dont think Esav is going to give up his bone here, I think he will have to have the last ugly word, So have at it. Im done with this thread, I gave it shot. I wont try again. My hope is that something good comes from it maybe someone reading Mongo man's posts will reconsider their discourse before slinging the disrespect. Sorry for the disrespect I dished out in the process, hope you can understand, I may be Holierthanthou but I 'm no Jesus Christ.
 
Holierthanthou said:
Rat Finkenstein : I like you alot better on the swamprat knifeworks forum, you actually seem like a decent person there. I wish that Rat Finkenstein would show up more often on BF. You have alot of potential as a person but so much hate comes pouring out of you on this site.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Get over yourself, you should turn your wussy-meter off and enjoy your time here instead of acting like you do.

Maybe you should just turn your computer off- since the internet (and probably real life) is too much for you to handle. Maybe you should join some kind of Care-Bears forum where everything is happy times and rainbows.

I don't recall seeing a "holierthanthou" on the Swamp Rat forums, BTW. Maybe you chose a less arrogant and pompous name there?
 
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