Anyone using Whet stones in their sharping?

SV-97 said:
I've started with a 800 grit naniwa as my first bench stone and honestly: it's way nicer than expected. As long as you're not running modern toolsteels, having an 800 as lowest grit is fine (I've even sharpened a ZDP Delica on it a few times and sure it takes some time but it's absolutely doable) and if you transition to a 10k afterwards (as I've done for quite some time) you can get a beautiful, razor sharp edge from just two stones. I wouldn't want to sharpen maxamet that way though... :D
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One of my Spydercos is a Delica4 it has VG-10 as it's Blade steel, since Spyderco uses many types of steel in all there knives, what steel is used in your Delica?
 
snapshot2017 said:
One of my Spydercos is a Delica4 it has VG-10 as it's Blade steel, since Spyderco uses many types of steel in all there knives, what steel is used in your Delica?
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The one I mentioned here: ZDP-189; I also have one in the VG-10 damascus and one in V-TOKU laminate
 
SV-97 said:
The one I mentioned here: ZDP-189; I also have one in the VG-10 damascus and one in V-TOKU laminate
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Both ZDP-189 and V-TOKU are very interesting steels, i have not really noticed them before, but would sure like having a Chef Knife made from ZDP-189 now justifying the cost.
 
He didn't express confusion at all. Rather, it was an expression of incredulity or cynicism. You even quoted his post--the information you seek is there. OP stands for "Original Poster", which is you in this case.
 
snapshot2017 said:
Then just what was his confusion?
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Mainly the fact that you seem to be selectively answering other posters... The ones you like the responses from I guess. The rest seem to be carrying on one-sided conversations. Someone pointing out the fact that ALL sharpening stones are pretty much colloquially accepted as whetstones isn't trying to be rude or a jerk, they're just saying your question didn't make sense the way it was worded and needed to be clarified with proper terminology. I mean no disrespect either, but ignore people enough and you will just stop getting answers. A pointed "non" response is just as rude as a disrespectful one, in it's own way.
 
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FortyTwoBlades said:
He didn't express confusion at all. Rather, it was an expression of incredulity or cynicism. You even quoted his post--the information you seek is there. OP stands for "Original Poster", which is you in this case.
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So what you are telling me eKretz was just trying in this strange way insulting me, with what you imply Quote:an expression of incredulity or cynicism.ed of Quote: Am i correct Forty TwoBlades?
 
eKretz said:
Mainly the fact that you seem to be selectively answering other posters... The ones you like the responses from I guess. The rest seem to be carrying on one-sided conversations. Someone pointing out the fact that ALL sharpening stones are pretty much colloquially accepted as whetstones isn't trying to be rude or a jerk, they're just saying your question didn't make sense the way it was worded and needed to be clarified with proper terminology. I mean no disrespect either, but ignore people enough and you will just stop getting answers. A pointed "non" response is just as rude as a disrespectful one, in it's own way.
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Well in this pointed reply to me you are being disrespectful to me, and i do not feel i am being rude or am i being in any way disrespectful to anyone.
And if you can't understand what i post you might not also understand my terminology, so if i am not understood by you, just make a request for me to explain something that you don't understand.
 
He's well versed on proper terminology. I believe you'll find that, as I carefully explained earlier in the thread (and was seemingly ignored or else overlooked) that the words you have chosen to use have, in several cases, been vague to the point of making their parent statements' meanings completely obfuscated and nebulous. It is your terminology that requires adjustments in these cases, as you have not been sufficiently descriptive in the questions you've posed. To those who do have a firm grip on what the given terms mean and (sometimes of even greater importance) don't mean, it makes it difficult to answer your questions since it is uncertain what you are actually asking. We may be able to glean some hints toward the direction you intend to go, but they remain mere guesses on our part until you have made yourself fully clear.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
He's well versed on proper terminology. I believe you'll find that, as I carefully explained earlier in the thread (and was seemingly ignored or else overlooked) that the words you have chosen to use have, in several cases, been vague to the point of making their parent statements' meanings completely obfuscated and nebulous. It is your terminology that requires adjustments in these cases, as you have not been sufficiently descriptive in the questions you've posed. To those who do have a firm grip on what the given terms mean and (sometimes of even greater importance) don't mean, it makes it difficult to answer your questions since it is uncertain what you are actually asking. We may be able to glean some hints toward the direction you intend to go, but they remain mere guesses on our part until you have made yourself fully clear.
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I am not going to be drawn into something i feel is against the forums rules.
 
snapshot2017 said:
I am not going to be drawn into something i feel is against the forums rules.
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Describing in detail what you're actually asking? How would that be against the forum rules? We're just trying to figure out what your question is intended to be asking vs. what it actually is asking. The original post and thread title, as it stands, is asking if people use sharpening stones (of any sort) and that you've used Arkansas stones for years (which are whet stones) and that after watching videos of chefs using whet stones (which, again, Arkansas stones are) that you have also begun to use them. Do you see how this is a bit ambiguous and self-conflicting? Based on the links you've posted and the context of some of the statements made, I suspect you're actually intending to ask about Japanese-style water stones, of both natural and synthetic types, but you've not been forthcoming to clarify this, and I believe eKretz was expressing his dissatisfaction about that in a playfully ascerbic way.
 
snapshot2017 said:
Both ZDP-189 and V-TOKU are very interesting steels, i have not really noticed them before, but would sure like having a Chef Knife made from ZDP-189 now justifying the cost.
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ZDP is one of my if not the favorite steel; didn't like V-Toku that much though tbh
 
I only use (bench sized) whetstones for all my knives with a guided jig for whetstones (which was built for me by a user on another forum) which provides angle control and also very importantly pressure control. For the final (very fine) stones when I make a very fine edge I barely touch the stone.

I use Atoma 140, 400, 1000 after that I go on to DMD diamond stones 1000, 3000, 6000, 12000.

The DMD are resin bonded diamond stones and they are super fast and take about every steel. They eat Maxamet for breakfast. Here is a thorough review of the stones: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://kochmalscharf.freeforums.net/thread/1511/dmd-diamond-stones
They are quite cheap and available here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...inding-Stone-Whetstone-HT325/32716558253.html

After the DMD, I go to a Suehiro Gokumyo 20K (0.5 micron) and after that either a natural stone (for a long lasting edge), 0.25 micron diamond spray or 0.03 micron lapping film.
 
ckdexterhaven said:
I only use (bench sized) whetstones for all my knives with a guided jig for whetstones (which was built for me by a user on another forum) which provides angle control and also very importantly pressure control. For the final (very fine) stones when I make a very fine edge I barely touch the stone.

I use Atoma 140, 400, 1000 after that I go on to DMD diamond stones 1000, 3000, 6000, 12000.

The DMD are resin bonded diamond stones and they are super fast and take about every steel. They eat Maxamet for breakfast. Here is a thorough review of the stones: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://kochmalscharf.freeforums.net/thread/1511/dmd-diamond-stones
They are quite cheap and available here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...inding-Stone-Whetstone-HT325/32716558253.html

After the DMD, I go to a Suehiro Gokumyo 20K (0.5 micron) and after that either a natural stone (for a long lasting edge), 0.25 micron diamond spray or 0.03 micron lapping film.
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ckdexterhaven Thank you for taking the time to post this very informative information, i will look into the Atoma diamond sharpeners is there a reason you use them before moving to the DMT's? also could you expand on the stones from Ali Express (alibaba group) who makes them and how well do the perform?
The Suehiro Gokumyo 20K stone looks like a really quality stone it should at over $300US, it's above what i think i need, but glad you included it.
What blade steels are you doing your sharping on?
 
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