Apology PLEASE READ

Before you condemn a man, walk a mile in his shoes.
Then by the time he gets made at you, you're a mile away and he is barefoot.
 
Dorito Monk, I didn't take anything personal bro. We can all set here and say what hindsight would appear to make which decision best, but if you intend to trade on these forums than you must trust people. Really is up to the indiviual. Nothing personal here, but don't blame the internet, blame the guy who did it. And don't assume i am taking anything personal simply because I disagree with you or your idea. I choose to trust people until given reason not to. You may not, both are rights of the individual. God BLess
 
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Dorito Monk, I didn't take anything personal bro. We can all set here and say what hindsight would appear to make which decision best, but if you intend to trade on these forums than you must trust people. Really is up to the indiviual. Nothing personal here, but don't blame the internet, blame the guy who did it. And don't assume i am taking anything personal simply because I disagree with you or your idea. I choose to trust people until given reason not to. You may not, both are rights of the individual. God BLess

Ah, okay. I guess I misinterpreted your meaning. When you said "Don't blame the site for a problem a person caused" I thought you were directing that at me, and I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't trying to bash the site over the actions of one or two scumbags.
 
Reading SogTridents apology I do believe he is sincere. It doesn't change the fact that what he did was any less wrong but it does count for something in my book.
 
I just posted a thread about getting a gold membership and the buying/selling/trading process and was directed to this sub forum by Esav. Needless to say a somewhat disenchanting read.
 
Read a few more gripes, then use common sense to avoid what they did wrong. Security measures are available to avoid the overwhelming majority of problem cases.

Above all, if you are the least bit uncomfortable about a deal, don't do it. Only buy - sell - trade with the more obviously reliable people. Read a few of the other guy's non-Exchange posts as a character reference. Look at his iTrader and FEEDBACK references.

If you aren't sure, ask. Post a thread here in FEEDBACK and ask who has had dealings with them. Or email a mod, who might know their history.
 
I just posted a thread about getting a gold membership and the buying/selling/trading process and was directed to this sub forum by Esav. Needless to say a somewhat disenchanting read.

Don't let one bad egg ruin it for you. Just take a look at different member's feedback and browse the hall of fame and you'll see that the majority of the people buying/selling/trading/dealing are the polar opposite of the OP: Honorable, honest, and sincere.
 
I have to actually get around to photographing the knives I want to sell. Need camera... And yea I realize this isn't the norm, it's just shitty that something like that plagued jayz thoughts for a year...it would piss me off too!
 
Even if he makes good on the knife, I would not trade with him. Talk is cheap, and he has not paid anything back yet. He is still on the hook. What if the commission does not come in?
 
I just posted a thread about getting a gold membership and the buying/selling/trading process and was directed to this sub forum by Esav. Needless to say a somewhat disenchanting read.

If you're careful, you'll have great experiences here. Lots of good folks here, and believe me, lots of good opportunities to try new knives & gear. You get what you give.

~Chris
 
I'm giving credit where its due here. I've yet to see an apology with less excuses & minimizing. As far as confessions & apologies go, that was as good as they come (& I've heard more than my share). Its a great start. You have a functioning conscience & it shows. Hearing you actually say that you intended to screw him over to begin with turned my stomach. That was honest to the point of being selfless. Putting yourself out there for much-deserved abuse is also good for all of us who never got to confront the thieves that got us & who make our hobby less enjoyable. Thanks you for doing that. But nothing but years of honest, stand-up behavior is going to get you to the spot you want to be at. The words of alcoholics & junkies are notoriously worthless. A few even mean what they say when they say it. They just stop meaning it minutes or hours later. Or they're truly deep-down sorry only because they're caught & don't want to deal with unsympathetic judges. Remember, you posted this too, before it all went south:

"Well I suppose how im allowed to proceed is because it's one side to a bs story. I'm not going to bicker on here like a kid. Apparently jaydev feels he owns or owned (if he lost one) the only Ritter in existence. And also is flattered enough that in the 300 or so Internet transactions I've made his knife is the one I had to steal. I have made five trades on this forum in the last two weeks and three on another all without a hitch and for much more expensive knives. Hinderers, sebenza and emersons. My eBay fdback is 100% on 192 transactions. Imbued anyone can take pictures that were sent to him and claim it was his and it was stolen. I once heard a quote that says "there is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principal is contempt prior to inestigation". Thanks for that from those of you I have received crappy emails from. I guess I'll take a break for a while but you people really need to get both sides before blame is placed. Thanks and have a good day all."

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...h-out-for-sogtrident7?p=10377222#post10377222

I noticed that you had less than 21 posts, almost all in the exchange, before getting into this situation, by the way. How many others are there that we haven't found out about?

What you did will never go away or be forgotten. Nor should it. And no one owes you forgiveness or a second chance. Or even a first. Coming from someone who has been on the wrong end of too many junkie & alcoholic misdeeds, my advice is to follow up this gesture with action & give your victim his due (& then some). I've been in his shoes plenty & gotten reams of apologies & lip service. But I've never gotten back what I lost or any sort of repayment. Making it right with him will put you in a category above every other addict I'm aware of. And most importantly, its' what he deserves. Being screwed over by strangers makes people less trusting toward everyone. This means that good people are less inclined to give other good people a chance because of people like you. That hurts the world much more than the material loss.

I've traded many times on this forum & others without a single bad experience. I'm a bit naive & just assumed that anyone who spends this much money for something frivolous like knives & watches exchange sub-forums is a functional knife nerd. It's not an obvious attraction for criminal types. I'd like to think that the rarity of incidents like this speak to the generally solid standards of the types that indulge in our little hobby. I'll continue to operate on this assumption & enjoy my cozy little bubble of joy, albeit with a bit more checking into the other side of the deal. Thanks for letting me vent a bit.
 
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Sogtrident7, you could have chosen to leave Jaydev high and dry, but you did not. Much more difficult to stop, go back, confess your embarrassing shame, and attempt to set things right. In this, I must commend your efforts.

The way I see it, BladeForums is a community: to wrong one of us is to wrong all of us. But ultimately, this issue is between yourself and Jaydev. He was the cheated party in this mess you've made, and if he has decided to forgive your transgression, how could someone like me do any less?

Regardless, I sincerely hope that if the Mods decide to spare you from the ban-hammer, you will have at least earned yourself a serious and permanent infraction. I'll never do business with you, nor will I trouble myself to damage your reputation further. Time will tell the truth of your own sincerity.

I'm not a religious man, but I like to think that I am a moral man, and I'll simply leave off with this:

"Long is the way/ And hard, that out of Hell leads up to Light (...)
-Milton, Paradise Lost

Next time you find yourself at the crossroads, choose wisely...

Regards,

Timber
 
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to wrong one of us is to wrong all of us.

Excellent point. As far as Sogtrident7 is concerned, I won't give you credit for apologizing for something you should have known better than to do in the first place. You are the first person I have ever added to my ignore list.
 
I'm giving credit where its due here. I've yet to see an apology with less excuses & minimizing. As far as confessions & apologies go, that was as good as they come (& I've heard more than my share). Its a great start. You have a functioning conscience & it shows. Hearing you actually say that you intended to screw him over to begin with turned my stomach. That was honest to the point of being selfless. Putting yourself out there for much-deserved abuse is also good for all of us who never got to confront the thieves that got us & who make our hobby less enjoyable. Thanks you for doing that. But nothing but years of honest, stand-up behavior is going to get you to the spot you want to be at. The words of alcoholics & junkies are notoriously worthless. A few even mean what they say when they say it. They just stop meaning it minutes or hours later. Or they're truly deep-down sorry only because they're caught & don't want to deal with unsympathetic judges. Remember, you posted this too, before it all went south:

"Well I suppose how im allowed to proceed is because it's one side to a bs story. I'm not going to bicker on here like a kid. Apparently jaydev feels he owns or owned (if he lost one) the only Ritter in existence. And also is flattered enough that in the 300 or so Internet transactions I've made his knife is the one I had to steal. I have made five trades on this forum in the last two weeks and three on another all without a hitch and for much more expensive knives. Hinderers, sebenza and emersons. My eBay fdback is 100% on 192 transactions. Imbued anyone can take pictures that were sent to him and claim it was his and it was stolen. I once heard a quote that says "there is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principal is contempt prior to inestigation". Thanks for that from those of you I have received crappy emails from. I guess I'll take a break for a while but you people really need to get both sides before blame is placed. Thanks and have a good day all."

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...h-out-for-sogtrident7?p=10377222#post10377222

I noticed that you had less than 21 posts, almost all in the exchange, before getting into this situation, by the way. How many others are there that we haven't found out about?

What you did will never go away or be forgotten. Nor should it. And no one owes you forgiveness or a second chance. Or even a first. Coming from someone who has been on the wrong end of too many junkie & alcoholic misdeeds, my advice is to follow up this gesture with action & give your victim his due (& then some). I've been in his shoes plenty & gotten reams of apologies & lip service. But I've never gotten back what I lost or any sort of repayment. Making it right with him will put you in a category above every other addict I'm aware of. And most importantly, its' what he deserves. Being screwed over by strangers makes people less trusting toward everyone. This means that good people are less inclined to give other good people a chance because of people like you. That hurts the world much more than the material loss.

I've traded many times on this forum & others without a single bad experience. I'm a bit naive & just assumed that anyone who spends this much money for something frivolous like knives & watches exchange sub-forums is a functional knife nerd. It's not an obvious attraction for criminal types. I'd like to think that the rarity of incidents like this speak to the generally solid standards of the types that indulge in our little hobby. I'll continue to operate on this assumption & enjoy my cozy little bubble of joy, albeit with a bit more checking into the other side of the deal. Thanks for letting me vent a bit.

Wow, amazing. You're like a smarter, more articulate version of me! If I had the ability to group my thoughts in to words this well, I could have typed the same thing verbatim!

While I have not been (fortunately) on the receiving end of a lot of bad behavior and false promises by addicts, I have been on the "other side" of the law. I imagine my story would shock some of you folks to your very core existence if I shared. I won't though because it's not who I am now and my posts and feedback speak to that, dating back to 2003 when I joined (heck, I had feedback before there was a way to leave feedback!)

So all of this to say, I appreciate your apology Ben. As a Christian, I understand that it really is all about grace. And getting grace starts with confessing sinful behavior and ends with repenting. So as I see it, you are now in the repentance stage. Make the best of it!
 
<snip> The words of alcoholics & junkies are notoriously worthless. A few even mean what they say when they say it. They just stop meaning it minutes or hours later. <snip>

I agree with this.I've dealt with more than a few junkies in my lifetime.All of them lied & were very good at it.All of them would've knocked off their own mother for a fix.All of them relapsed & are either in prison or dead.
Sogtrident7,Sorry,but I'm not buying your apology know matter how sincere it sounds.I'd be very surprised if Jaydev got anything back.Just speaking from experience.
 
People make mistakes, and the severity of those mistakes vary.

Stealing is bad, though there are far worse, unforgiveable-in-my-book transgressions.

Can someone with no honor acquire honor? I think so. It's not something you're born with, the same as it's something that's easily lost. Do you simply write off someone who has made a mistake(s) as someone who can never change? I guess that varies with the person.

Good luck in your recoveries of both health and honor. Do the right things and I believe you'll have both back one day. Just my .02.

Prof.
 
I just posted a thread about getting a gold membership and the buying/selling/trading process and was directed to this sub forum by Esav. Needless to say a somewhat disenchanting read.
Don't let this dissuade you in any way, 98% of the people on the forums are solid individuals. This is a good community, and I believe that is the reason it attracts good people. The generosity I have seen here is amazing and cannot be measured in standard terms. If you are intested in supporting the site, please do. You have nothing to worry about. ;)
 
It is interesting to read all of the different personalities. There are only a couple things I would like to address. I Know that most of my posts were on the exchange here, I joined in 07' and spent countless hours on here reading and learning, I'm not here just for the exchange. I think that the consensus is I won't square up and that is understandable what 1% in my situation truly make it right. Time will tell that. I'm not sitting here begging you to let me trade knives with you, way down the road maybe again but As was said the wealth of info on here is priceless and it is a priveledge to be here. I am graced enough to temporarily have the bann lifted off me, now it's time to make things right. This isn't because I got caught, who cares I got caught aside from him driving to my house and kicking my ass what can be done about it kick me off a forum where everyone hates me anyway. There is no one here with a gun to my head forcing this. Please don't get the wrong idea here, I am not making one excuse actually quite the opposite I have in detail told you every lie and thought I had. I am not asking for forgiveness, or for anyone to forget it happened. I think at this point besides just sending money and going away this is the best thing for me to do. I hope somebody contemplating the same behavior reads this and changes their mind, also it gives all of you who have been screwed a chance to vent at a thief, weather you admit it or not after you tell me I'm a worthless pos junkie and clicked send it made you feel a bit better. I appreciate words of encouragement from some of you and I appologize to the rest who have been screwed over by a junkie like me. To be frank the only one I really care about on here as far as their opinion of me is Jason. I expected exactly the reaction I got here and I have never tried to downplay it or argue your words, they are your opinions and feelings so they cannot be wrong. I just want to admit what I did and make it right with Jaydev and move on, I posted this for all to see because alot of you really cared for him in this situation and I thought you might like to see the results of what happened. If I get banned I'll know that I took something really crappy I did and tried my best to fix it in the end. I think me putting and keeping a link to this in my avatar is a fine idea. I will try to figure out how to do it. If it's not there by the end of the day would someone please explain how I would appreciate it. I think that is the first thing I've asked of you and it doesn't benefit me. Believe what you want and keep whatever opinion you have, I've certainly earned it but I just hope in time it won't define me anymore. I am a person like you who except I made bad choices but I do enjoy the hobby and I do have a very extensive collection and I have information and knowledge to offer. After and "if" I guess he is payed back thats what I place this sites value in. I have sent my payment plans to Esav so he is aware of the timetable and I do assure you if they are not kept I will get the boot for sure. All I do say is be carefull judging people, my actions warrant the impression you all have of me but as far judging me as a person you just don't know what or where someone comes from. I know some people don't care and I guess thats your perogative
Thanks, Ben..
 
I cannot figure out how to add this link into my avatar or wherever would be most visual. Please send me directions or if it is something the mods can do go for it. I do not object as a matter of fact that is a great idea...
 
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