Are Busse knives the only high end production knives actually being used?

lozdesign7 said:
I was not suggesting that Kabar was tough.... but rather that there would likely be lots of utube vids of people using them. For Joe Average (as opposed to obsessive knife knut like us).... Kabar is premium sheehit, Around here... well not so much.

Lawrie
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I get it and I agree with you, but there is also plenty of pics of failures on the net as well. The problem that kabar suffers from is one that ontario knives suffer from as well. Inconsistent HT per batch of knives. You can get a good one just as easily as you can get a bad one. Ontario switches to 5160 because it is easier to HT and less likely to have failures. They both need to see what Esee and Tops are doing with the same steels and try to follow it.
 
noob93 said:
Blackheart knives seem to be pretty tough and southern grind knives look solid. Admittedly iv not bought a busse or tried one. It's hard to justify spending so much on a knife with no sheath that probably needs to be reground to cut better.
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noob93, this thread is looking for evidence that other high end knives are actually being used hard. As you can see, with the exception of a few makers this is not so easy to find. You see one example here and there but no consistent reports. With Busse knives there are literally hundreds of reports of hard use including videos and pics. The more data samples you get the more you learn. You mentioned two brands. Lets see some hard use videos that are not promotional videos from the maker, lol.
 
Admittedly I stopped when I found Busse. Watched all of Noss' vids started hunting for a Scapper 6 and almost immediately ended up here part of the madness. I like them and the community, and beat on them and am confident in Jerry and the warranty. More than that, I'm confident I won't need the warranty in the middle of a trip. All that adds up to me having very little experience with other high end knives. Side note two other brands that I happen to like also performed well on those old vids ESEE and Fallkniven. If it wasn't for Busse I'd probably be using one of those or an old Kabar and not know much about the higher end of the spectrum.

As for the OP, check out this vid. It's a different category somewhat, but they do look like they're having fun while still making serious blades.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itE3_p7Fxwg
 
noob93 said:
It's hard to justify spending so much on a knife with no sheath that probably needs to be reground to cut better.
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I have to agree with our brother down under on this one.

The sheath thing was a bit of a bummer at first, but there is a benefit to ordering exactly what you want from one of the makers that cater to Busse customers. You're also supporting small businesses and more made in the USA goods. :thumbup: Then there's always the diy route for the budget minded.

I'm guilty of griping about the grind on a few blades I've purchased, but others I have were pretty much spot on out of the box. I've also come to realize that what I want isn't necessarily what everyone else wants or needs. It's just an opinion on what works best for me, and there was some trial and error involved in getting there.

In the end, they're the maker of "the toughest knives on the planet," not the worldest thinnest slicers lol. Now that I feel competent enough to do pretty much whatever I want tuning-wise, it's sort of a non-issue for me.
 
I wish I had bought my first Busse earlier.

I have quite a few users and some of them still get hard use,
for example my Bark River Aurora in 3V. ESEE-6 as well but that is not really high end.
 
Cobalt said:
noob93, this thread is looking for evidence that other high end knives are actually being used hard. As you can see, with the exception of a few makers this is not so easy to find. You see one example here and there but no consistent reports. With Busse knives there are literally hundreds of reports of hard use including videos and pics. The more data samples you get the more you learn. You mentioned two brands. Lets see some hard use videos that are not promotional videos from the maker, lol.
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Black Heart Knives Valkyrie Bowie - YouTube
YouTube app - 2 years ago. Nothing crazy in that but the knife is certainly getting used and some would say abused.
 
I do use some of mine but I don't abuse them.

My CPK Light Chopper
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My Randall #12-9 in 14 grind
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I think we'd need to determine if we're talking about hard use or abuse. Busse seems to promote and market this mores than any other knife. For good reason, busse knives are basically made to be abused. And I guess that sometimes means .25"+ knives with 60 degree edges.

Most other knives don't come like that.

The hardest I am with my knives is probably batoning store bought Firewood. That wood is hard as hell. Every knife I've used has chipped batoning store bought firewood. Yes I'll baton even through knots, but bk2's, handmade 3v camp knives and even a bg ash-1. They've all chipped to the point I've had to take them to the cutlery shop to sharpen them out.

During some other hard use, I've seen a sykco 411's edge just roll over. To the point I couldn't fix it. On the infi side, I've received blades that weren't choppers that didn't have an edge on them at all. Since I don't chop wood they were basically the proverbial pry bar. Of course those can be beat on.

But the question is "Are busse knives the only high end production knives actually being used". I guess the answer is different for everyone but for me, busse knives were used far less than any other knives. Basically because when you throw out chopping, the performance isn't up to snuff.

If I'm going in the back country, I'm not bringing a busse. I'm bringing an lt wright, a BHK, a big Chris, Gossman, or Sargent edged tools. They just perform better at everything I use a knife for.

To suggest that busse owners are the only people listing their knives is just silly. I'm an example, I've had several busse and kin and no, I don't use them much. Because they simply don't perform well enough.
 
LukeTheSpook said:
I think we'd need to determine if we're talking about hard use or abuse. Busse seems to promote and market this mores than any other knife. For good reason, busse knives are basically made to be abused. And I guess that sometimes means .25"+ knives with 60 degree edges.

Most other knives don't come like that.

The hardest I am with my knives is probably batoning store bought Firewood. That wood is hard as hell. Every knife I've used has chipped batoning store bought firewood. Yes I'll baton even through knots, but bk2's, handmade 3v camp knives and even a bg ash-1. They've all chipped to the point I've had to take them to the cutlery shop to sharpen them out.

During some other hard use, I've seen a sykco 411's edge just roll over. To the point I couldn't fix it. On the infi side, I've received blades that weren't choppers that didn't have an edge on them at all. Since I don't chop wood they were basically the proverbial pry bar. Of course those can be beat on.

But the question is "Are busse knives the only high end production knives actually being used". I guess the answer is different for everyone but for me, busse knives were used far less than any other knives. Basically because when you throw out chopping, the performance isn't up to snuff.

If I'm going in the back country, I'm not bringing a busse. I'm bringing an lt wright, a BHK, a big Chris, Gossman, or Sargent edged tools. They just perform better at everything I use a knife for.

To suggest that busse owners are the only people listing their knives is just silly. I'm an example, I've had several busse and kin and no, I don't use them much. Because they simply don't perform well enough.
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I understand and agree, at least for the most part. There are quite a few very, very good knives out there, and many people using them. The ASHBM I had came with a truly abysmal grind and edge from the factory. Once I fixed that the knife worked just fine, actually pretty darn well. I used it around the yard and took it on float trips where the boat didn't mind carrying it. Wish I hadn't sold that one. My NMFBM never really worked for me. I didn't care for the handle much. (I'm 6'5" with XXL hands and I like the straight handle much better than the fusion. Go figure.)

Now, I have an AMS which I just adore. Got it second hand here on BF and IMHO it's a wonderful knife. I use it a lot along with my Winkler Hunting Knife. For larger knives the Gossman I mentioned earlier is my favorite at the moment. I just don't chop with knives all that much. Hatchets and axes for me for that sort of work.
 
I think the qualification is chopping batoning, wood shaving etc. If you had to cut metal, fine or nails that is fine but not required. Metal on metal can be considered abuse, but should not be excluded.
 
Cobalt said:
Ok, so I look around and all I see is videos and pics of Busses taking hard core use. Where are all the hard use videos of other high end production knives. Where are the videos of Randalls being used? Where are the videos of Strider and Mad dogs being used, ever? Hard use videos of Bark river? I am not talking about a little review video of someone fondling a knife. I am talking about actual hard use chopping and batoning. When was the last time you saw a video of a san mai trailmaster being used hard. Or how about a falkniven thor or any large nl series? So lets set a $300 or more value. Show me vids. Can we find vids.
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I've owned two Ferhmans. Great blades but wasn't fond of the handles. I've used a Crowell/Barker Browning that was awesome, still have it. Surprisingly I have an original Ontario RTAK that has been a great blade. Takes some abuse with no problem. I would love to get my hands on an A2 Busse SteelHart. I know INFI is all the rage, but their A2 is some great stuff.
Scott
 
Gossman Knives said:
I've owned two Ferhmans. Great blades but wasn't fond of the handles. I've used a Crowell/Barker Browning that was awesome, still have it. Surprisingly I have an original Ontario RTAK that has been a great blade. Takes some abuse with no problem. I would love to get my hands on an A2 Busse SteelHart. I know INFI is all the rage, but their A2 is some great stuff.
Scott
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I also happen to know of another A2 blade that is awesome! :)

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Cobalt said:
noob93, this thread is looking for evidence that other high end knives are actually being used hard. As you can see, with the exception of a few makers this is not so easy to find. You see one example here and there but no consistent reports. With Busse knives there are literally hundreds of reports of hard use including videos and pics. The more data samples you get the more you learn. You mentioned two brands. Lets see some hard use videos that are not promotional videos from the maker, lol.
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Blackheart knives have a few on YouTube.
 
LukeTheSpook said:
https://youtu.be/mN0kfBMt-5M

Here's one with a 3v srk from cold steel. I guess there would be one or too busse that would compared to this one but I don't think I've seen them in any videos.
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Then you haven't looked hard enough. Any INFI would exceed it. There are busses that have cut cars in half and there is a thread on it. The destruction video of the Basic 9, was 5 times the abuse that SRK took.

But that SRK did excellent and it should. It is thick, sabre ground with a good steel. It's biggest failing is the handle, what a pos handle.
 
I like the size and profile of the Scout Recon, but to be honest I've seen too many videos/pics of them snapped in half to ever consider buying one.
 
Cobalt said:
Then you haven't looked hard enough. Any INFI would exceed it. There are busses that have cut cars in half and there is a thread on it. The destruction video of the Basic 9, was 5 times the abuse that SRK took.

But that SRK did excellent and it should. It is thick, sabre ground with a good steel. It's biggest failing is the handle, what a pos handle.
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You misunderstood. I haven't see a 5mm 6" busse in any videos like this. I understand there are infi videos but I'd like to see some infi in a similar configuration. A 33" thick 12" blade isnt really a good comparison. Neither is a hawk

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