Are knives weapons, or are they tools?

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I mean is a pistol a weapon or a tool. You could define it as both. A weapon, or a tool designed to kill people. Just like a hammer pounds nails.
 
Londinium Armoury said:
That is not correct, you are basically saying a Ford truck is not a ford truck until somebody has driven it, and if it just sits in a showroom it is not yet a ford truck. A weapon is still a weapon even if it isn't being used.
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That’s BS.

No, I am saying that something is not a weapon until it is used in an offensive or defensive manor. You could also maybe include carrying that item with the intent of it being used as a weapon but that is all. An example of that could be a soldier on patrol or training.

Anything more than that allows grounds for loss of personal freedoms.

Saying that something is a weapon because it was originally designed as such can remove the actions and intent of the owner from the equation. This is a dangerous path to walk.

Bottom line, a “weapon” will always be a tool. Yet, it may never be anything more.
 
needler420 said:
I mean is a pistol a weapon or a tool. You could define it as both. A weapon, or a tool designed to kill people. Just like a hammer pounds nails.
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Well a tool designed to kill people is called a weapon, that is pretty much the definition of the word. It's a weapon, which is a tool designed to kill.
 
A knife is always a tool first, but its intended use and design determines its subcategory after that. Think of a Case whittling knife vs a KABAR UMSC. Both are knives, both are tools, both designed for very different tasks. The same logic can be applied to a blunt force tool. Compare a hammer to morningstar. How about an icepick to a rapier? Almost any tool, a pencil, a wrench, a screwdriver, can be used as a weapon in a pinch, but only some tools are designed to be weapons.

A better question would be to ask if a BM Bugout is more of a weapon due to the sharpened edge than a claw hammer from Lowes. I would say no, personally. In fact, if I had to pick a weapon against another person, I would take a claw hammer over a Bugout every time.
 
In that sense I would say it depends on the knife then. Some knives are clearly made for fighting and would be a weapon and others are designed as tools for a farmer.

That's why there is laws on blade length, style etc. They are regulating to you what is considered a weapon or a tool. Varies state to state country to country.

A lot of countries see switchblades and balisongs designed as a weapon more then a tool and that brings in regulation. Same with double edge daggers, dirks etc,

pretty much deemed edged weapons before edged tools.
 
sabre cat said:
That’s BS.

No, I am saying that something is not a weapon until it is used in an offensive or defensive manor. You could also maybe include carrying that item with the intent of it being used as a weapon but that is all. An example of that could be a soldier on patrol or training.

Anything more than that allows grounds for loss of personal freedoms.

Saying that something is a weapon because it was originally designed as such can remove the actions and intent of the owner from the equation. This is a dangerous path to walk.

Bottom line, a “weapon” will always be a tool. Yet, it may never be anything more.
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You are talking about laws and legal definitions, I am talking about classifications of objects, and the design features of specially crafted items. You can point at a hand forged historically accute sharp sword on somebodies wall and call it decoration all you want, the fact is it is still a weapon. This isn't a political discussion, or a legal discussion, get your head out of the semantics of modern legalese for a moment and try to see things for what they actually are.
A weapon is a type of tool, a tool designed to kill and harm, now continue the train of thought, not all knives are weapons, and not all knives are utlity tools. Some knives are weapons, some knives are not. Some knives are both.
 
Tools that are or could be weapons are fine to have. I carry my knives as tools, but would not hesitate to use them as a weapon if I felt I had to and nothing better was available. Same with my hammer or pipe wrench. I'm not sure why people are getting so emotional about this.
 
JAM said:
What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?
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J85909266 said:
Tools that are or could be weapons are fine to have. I carry my knives as tools, but would not hesitate to use them as a weapon if I felt I had to and nothing better was available. Same with my hammer or pipe wrench. I'm not sure why people are getting so emotional about this.
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It's what is considered a weapon by definition by design. Not whether or not something can be used as a weapon which about any foreign object can be a weapon.

What's the inherit design of a hammer for, what's the inherit design of a pipe wrench for,

What's the inherit design of a sword or pistol.

Just because you can use a pencil as a weapon what is a pencils inherit design. It's to write.
 
J85909266 said:
Tools that are or could be weapons are fine to have. I carry my knives as tools, but would not hesitate to use them as a weapon if I felt I had to and nothing better was available. Same with my hammer or pipe wrench. I'm not sure why people are getting so emotional about this.
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You carry your knives as utility tools because that's what they probably are designed as. Unless you prepare your dinner with a WW1 trench knife, or EDC a 16 inch bowie knife for opening mail at work. Your knives likely are utility tools and not designed as implements of combat.
 
needler420 said:
It's what is considered a weapon by definition by design. Not whether or not something can be used as a weapon which about any foreign object can be a weapon.

What's the inherit design of a hammer for, what's the inherit design of a pipe wrench for,

What's the inherit design of a sword or pistol.

Just because you can use a pencil as a weapon what is a pencils inherit design. It's to write.
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The inherent purpose of a knife is to cut. That does not by any means imply human flesh, lol. That argument is stupid.
 
That said I still think qualified people should be allowed to posse firearms still. You shouldn't have to depend on a product not designed for self defense to have to use in a self defense case just because the alternative is deemed a weapon.

In the end anyone can take something that it wasn't designed for and use it for something else.
 
J85909266 said:
The inherent purpose of a knife is to cut. That does not by any means imply human flesh, lol. That argument is stupid.
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Pretty sure a sword, not a knife is designed to do exactly that, cut human flesh. It wasn't designed for culinary foods.
 
needler420 said:
It's what is considered a weapon by definition by design. Not whether or not something can be used as a weapon which about any foreign object can be a weapon.

What's the inherit design of a hammer for, what's the inherit design of a pipe wrench for,

What's the inherit design of a sword or pistol.

Just because you can use a pencil as a weapon what is a pencils inherit design. It's to write.
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needler420 said:
It's what is considered a weapon by definition by design. Not whether or not something can be used as a weapon which about any foreign object can be a weapon.

What's the inherit design of a hammer for, what's the inherit design of a pipe wrench for,

What's the inherit design of a sword or pistol.

Just because you can use a pencil as a weapon what is a pencils inherit design. It's to write.
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I see you've played knifey spoony before!
 
sabre cat said:
And, by the way, the 2nd Amendment affirms your right to bear arms, not weapons. That is your interpretation.
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:eek: What ? :confused:

It's also the Supreme Court's "opinion " .

They probably meant the right to possess arms and legs . :rolleyes:
 
J85909266 said:
The inherent purpose of a knife is to cut. That does not by any means imply human flesh, lol. That argument is stupid.
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Except yes some knives are specifically designed to cut human flesh, I can name hundreds of blades that were specifically designed to indeed cut human flesh, and not whittle wood or open your mail. You tell us why the Fairbairn Sykes was created, what was it's intended application.
 
He's another question I want to ask in this silly thread:

There are hundreds of us active here carrying knives and using them to cut things every day. How many of us have ever used one as a weapon? I never have. I'm willing to bet 99% of the other members here never have either. Even law enforcement and military very, very rarely use a knife as a weapon because they just aren't very good weapons in the modern world.

I will agree that there is an outdated perception that knives are inherently weapons, but I do not agree that it is correct or should continue to be that way. Knives stopped being a good weapon choice a long time ago, but using them as a tool to cut things will never go away. They have always been tools first. There is literally no valid comparison between a modern pocket knife and a gun.
 
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