Are Spyder Holes Liabilities?

[Todd21969]

That's what this was all about?!?

For Scagel's sakes.

The OP designed the Combative Edge PX-41.

 

[RockCowles]

Perhaps you can provide some factual evidence where the spyderhole failed that caused increased distress in an emergency situation?

Google "broken Spyderco" and the first two images are Spydercos that broke at the Spyder hole. Ken's points made sense. I started the thread wanting to know if Spyderhole failures were even heard of in practical usage or if it was just theoretical beyond extreme torture testindg.

 

[craytab]

I don't see it as obviously flawed or as a common sense issue. Please be so kind as to share your credentials along with your expertise.

Quite simple. I own and use a lot of knives. About half folders. Most with a hole in the blade for one reason or another. A few spydercos. Not one has broken.

You posited a different assertion. The burden of proof is yours. You are the reason we are here posting in this thread. You said this:

I think the Spyder Hole was pretty revolutionary when first used, but would seem obsolete when we have flippers (Thanks, Kit Carson, RIP) and thumbstuds. It looks like a trademarked liability to me now.

Your only evidence provided to back this up is from a great designer who is mostly paid by the competition to spyderco and has in fact designed knives with multiple holes in the blade. Dubious at best.

You then ask this:

I was wondering what others think about the Spyder Hole and does it exclude Spyderco from their line ups.

You got what you asked for. Your wonder should be quenched. As is natural in the internet forum world, when most people's opinions based on their direct experiences differ from the position of which the question was asked, you have been asked to counter what the majority of us have said.

You are now asked to provide evidence of such failures in the very situations you are concerned about. It is okay if you can't do it. Nothing wrong with being wrong, unless you can't admit it.

 

[marcinek]

The OP designed the Combative Edge PX-41.

Thank you for bringing that to everyone's attention. :thumbup: So the upshot of the thread:

"Spyderco holes are a problem. You know what knife doesn't have that problem? This one that I designed!"

:thumbdn:

 

[marcinek]

Google "broken Spyderco" and the first two images are Spydercos that broke at the Spyder hole. Ken's points made sense. I started the thread wanting to know if Spyderhole failures were even heard of in practical usage or if it was just theoretical beyond extreme torture testindg.

Then are those images "practical usage" or are they "theoretical beyond-extreme torture testing"? Which is it?

 

[craytab]

Google "broken Spyderco" and the first two images are Spydercos that broke at the Spyder hole. Ken's points made sense. I started the thread wanting to know if Spyderhole failures were even heard of in practical usage or if it was just theoretical beyond extreme torture testindg.

You are changing your argument. Did you not say this originally?

I had a discussion at the Blade Show a few years ago with a very well known knifemaker about testing factory knives to the point of failure. He said Spydercos did horrible due to the Spyder Holes taking a big chunk out of the blade right by the spine and weakening them. I think the Spyder Hole was pretty revolutionary when first used, but would seem obsolete when we have flippers (Thanks, Kit Carson, RIP) and thumbstuds. It looks like a trademarked liability to me now. I have owned and liked many Spydercos, but I never EDC them as my sole knife. I do not abuse my knives and can tell the difference between them, hammers, and prybars, but we do not always choose our circumstances and life threatening events. I do my best to remain knowledgable about brittle steels, bad design, and faulty locks. I was wondering what others think about the Spyder Hole and does it exclude Spyderco from their line ups.

So now it is practical usage?

And what is the circumstances of your google broken spydercos? Is the source reliable? One thing I can tell you is when I google "broken spyderco" the first image is a southard and it is not on the opening hole.

You are going to need to do better to gain validity here.

 

[marcinek]

OK sounds like it's time for some free advice.

Sell on your own merits, and be up front that you are selling.

The whole sell against thing that some folks swear by doesn't do well with a typical hoe your own garden knife knut.

And get the proper membership level to do so.

 

[Danke42]

Don't you need a gold membership to sell on here by the way; that's what this thread is. A sales thread to drive traffic to a non-supporting website.

I call it hammer time.

 

[Danke42]

And get the proper membership level to do so.

You're reading my mind.

 

[craytab]

I was wondering when you were going to get around to hawking the knife you designed. I read your post on the other forum where you brought up the Spydie hole "issue"

As to thick blades, the Military in my prior post in this thread is thicker at the spine than your PX-41. [emoji6]

Ohhh..... Not a Spyderco Fanboy either. I have an Emerson in my right front pocket every single day.

(Military is IWB [emoji2])

Well, don't mind if I quote myself from earlier:

Follow the money.

What do you say OP?

 

[neffarious]

he would need a maker's membership. Gold is just to sell something you bought, not something you made...

 

[Danke42]

he would need a maker's membership. Gold is just to sell something you bought, not something you made...

He's super successful I'm sure between the knives and printing business cards and web design. No holes in the business cards!

 

[craytab]

He's super successful I'm sure between the knives and printing business cards and web design. No holes in the business cards!

After this discussion he might be adding holes to those cards. I'm guessing with a hole punch....

 

[craytab]

A simple bit of research will find out this is a shill account for a designer. Should be banned for this kind of garbage.

 

[RockCowles]

OK sounds like it's time for some free advice.

Sell on your own merits, and be up front that you are selling.

The whole sell against thing that some folks swear by doesn't do well with a typical hoe your own garden knife knut.

I didn't start the thread to "hawk my knife". I was asked what my solution was and I shared it, four pages into the thread. Most Spydercos are in a different market and not competition for it.

 

[marcinek]

I didn't start the thread to "hawk my knife". I was asked what my solution was and I shared it, four pages into the thread. Most Spydercos are in a different market and not competition for it.

C'mon.

That cat's not going back into the bag.

And, you would appear to have a bit of "history"....

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/692695-I-Need-Logo-Design-Help?p=8003636#post8003636

Good day.

 

[Danke42]

I didn't start the thread to "hawk my knife". I was asked what my solution was and I shared it, four pages into the thread. Most Spydercos are in a different market and not competition for it.

For shame, to behave this way on Christmas eve.

Disrespectful.

 

[Danke42]

After this discussion he might be adding holes to those cards. I'm guessing with a hole punch....

 

[craytab]

C'mon.

That cat's not going back into the bag.

And, you would appear to have a bit of "history"....

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/692695-I-Need-Logo-Design-Help?p=8003636#post8003636

Good day.

Good work Marci!

Mr. Cowles, There are rules here which I am sure you have not read. If you expect to be part of this community in anyway you should read them and follow them. You are a designer and you sell knives. You have not paid for the proper membership that grants you the privilege to do such things. If you don't promote them here then there likely won't be a problem at your membership level. But you see, you took a shot at a respected manufacturer and proposed a solution to their "problem". A solution with your name on it. This is basic logic and common sense. You can't do that here. You already know that based on your history. Likely your time here has set sail. Whether you are banned or that all of us here will remember your name (who is stupid enough to create a shill with their own name?).

I don't make the rules. I don't enforce the rules. There are good people who do both those things. I am just a voice, one of many in this community.

 

[fsatsil]

Maybe I'm missing something here but if the hole was really an issue wouldn't there be loads of people complaining about thier broken Spyderco blades?