Are Spyder Holes Liabilities?

[craytab]

Maybe I'm missing something here but if the hole was really an issue wouldn't there be loads of people complaining about thier broken Spyderco blades?

There would be. Instead we have one guy with flawed evidence who is stupidly trying to sell knives against ethics in general and forum rules specifically.

 

[Lycosa]

"If one cannot say something nice...

 

[Leftytwogunz]

No, this loser is here to Troll a competing brand and eventually work his way to hocking his own fugly pos.

Rockcowles get lost. Or if you want to sell your own junk buy an appropriate membership and sell it on it's own merrits, not by bashing another company because of some second hand info you heard at a bladeshow.

:thumbdn::thumbdn: says a bunch of customers you hadn't even won yet.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I may be in the minority on this, but if you had started this thread with a dealer or knifemaker membership and given us solid evidence that your product had a stronger blade than an equivalent knife with a thumbhole or thumbstud I would have absolutely no problem with any of it. In all honesty, I like the design of the knife you've come up with, the ergos look good and the blade looks useful (though were I in the mood I would buy the very similar Kizer Tomcat for significantly less money).

The issue is this whole thread feels dishonest. I hope you understand that it's almost impossible for us not to conclude that you were attempting to guide us to a specific answer to the question you asked so that you could then show off your product. Maybe that wasn't your intent, but I hope you see that, even if this wasn't intentional, it places you in an extremely bad light.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

There would be. Instead we have one guy with flawed evidence who is stupidly trying to sell knives against ethics in general and forum rules specifically.

I actually disagree with you here. The evidence isn't flawed, it's functionally nonexistent.

 

[Todd21969]

I didn't start the thread to "hawk my knife". I was asked what my solution was and I shared it, four pages into the thread. Most Spydercos are in a different market and not competition for it.

Ok.....sure you didn't [emoji6]

Thank you for bringing that to everyone's attention. [emoji106] So the upshot of the thread:

"Spyderco holes are a problem. You know what knife doesn't have that problem? This one that I designed!"

:thumbdn:

No problem. OP should have a proper membership level and give full disclosure.

I like this place, and it is the only forum I pay to support, albeit just a lowly basic member. We are a community here, have to watch each others backs.

Plus Mr Glesser is a class act.

 

[craytab]

I actually disagree with you here. The evidence isn't flawed, it's functionally nonexistent.

I was trying to be kind (shocking right!). Your assessment is correct.

And I agree with your earlier post. Had the OP been honest and followed the rules here we would be able to have a discussion. It still would have ended with him having no evidence but he would at least have some credibility as a person and maybe even a knife maker. Not so much now. I doubt he can get any credibility back. Again the community has sniffed out a rat. It doesn't take long folks. Best not to try it.

 

[RockCowles]

Good work Marci!

Mr. Cowles, There are rules here which I am sure you have not read. If you expect to be part of this community in anyway you should read them and follow them. You are a designer and you sell knives. You have not paid for the proper membership that grants you the privilege to do such things. If you don't promote them here then there likely won't be a problem at your membership level. But you see, you took a shot at a respected manufacturer and proposed a solution to their "problem". A solution with your name on it. This is basic logic and common sense. You can't do that here. You already know that based on your history. Likely your time here has set sail. Whether you are banned or that all of us here will remember your name (who is stupid enough to create a shill with their own name?).

I don't make the rules. I don't enforce the rules. There are good people who do both those things. I am just a voice, one of many in this community.

I don't hide who I am on forums or elsewhere. I let my pride get the better of me mentioning a knife I designed. For that I was wrong and apologize. I was not attempting to sell or promote it, nor did I intend to mention it when I started the thread. You can believe what you wish. I was called a hater and a troll before I ever mentioned my design. Why? It looked to me like it was for questioning something that some people have blind loyalty to. Was I rude or arrogant?

My brother-in-law is the rariety who does hard testing on his knives because he wants to know what they will allow before trusting them in the field. YouTube is full of videos of people doing so with guns and knives. Not many companies do. I decided to ask a large forum of factory and custom knife users about their thoughts, experiences, and opinions. You say your google search for "broken Spyderco" had different results than mine. Here is the screen shot of mine. The first two pictures are both Spyderhole failures.



Marcinek said I have a history. I do. I'm a graphic designer and I offered my services in a thread someone else started asking for help with maker's marks and logos. My post remained there over a year before being flagged as minor spam and removed. I don't know if the forum rules changed or if I violated them. If I did violate them, then I was in the wrong and apologize. I try to be aware of and respectful of others' rules.



I did not make personal attacks on people, derail a thread multiple times, and I do not hide in anonymity or behind a paid membership and high post count. If the moderators think I am a shill or a troll, I hope they will be kind enough to discuss it with me.

 

[craytab]

No problem. OP should have a proper membership level and give full disclosure.

I like this place, and it is the only forum I pay to support, albeit just a lowly basic member. We are a community here, have to watch each others backs.

Plus Mr Glesser is a class act.

Agree 100%!

 

[craytab]

I don't hide who I am on forums or elsewhere. I let my pride get the better of me mentioning a knife I designed. For that I was wrong and apologize. I was not attempting to sell or promote it, nor did I intend to mention it when I started the thread. You can believe what you wish. I was called a hater and a troll before I ever mentioned my design. Why? It looked to me like it was for questioning something that some people have blind loyalty to. Was I rude or arrogant?

My brother-in-law is the rariety who does hard testing on his knives because he wants to know what they will allow before trusting them in the field. YouTube is full of videos of people doing so with guns and knives. Not many companies do. I decided to ask a large forum of factory and custom knife users about their thoughts, experiences, and opinions. You say your google search for "broken Spyderco" had different results than mine. Here is the screen shot of mine. The first two pictures are both Spyderhole failures.



Marcinek said I have a history. I do. I'm a graphic designer and I offered my services in a thread someone else started asking for help with maker's marks and logos. My post remained there over a year before being flagged as minor spam and removed. I don't know if the forum rules changed or if I violated them. If I did violate them, then I was in the wrong and apologize. I try to be aware of and respectful of others' rules.



I did not make personal attacks on people, derail a thread multiple times, and I do not hide in anonymity or behind a paid membership and high post count. If the moderators think I am a shill or a troll, I hope they will be kind enough to discuss it with me.

Quoted for posterity. Composing response now.

First, you did what you did in promoting your own product. Thanks for apologizing.

Next, you haven't proven anything. Pictures are just pictures. Context of the situation and credibility of the person behind them offer valid evidence. You have provided neither. Case in point, and maybe you missed my comment earlier, the first picture is not of a failure along the spyderhole. This is basic stuff. If you can't recognize that then there is not much else you can offer. It is a serious accusation you have made with your opinion. It is fine to have an opinion based on personal experience or otherwise but you must back it up with evidence.

In the first part of one sentence you say you don't make personal attacks but in the later half you do. Post count means something but not much if the information is wrong. Paid membership only gives you certain privileges here like selling your used knives, selling your wares (which you are trying to do), becoming a dealer and supporter of BFC, or gaining further data limits on PMs plus other stuff. It all means very little if you can't back up your argument with facts, which you haven't. But when you use these things as an argument against others who can prove their arguments, it is a person attack. You just did it.

 

[fsatsil]

As I stated earlier, both folders and fixed blades have thier purposes. EDCing a five to seven inch fixed blade is not always practical or legal as well as drawing unwanted attention in a lot of situations. A thicker quality blade with a titanium handle, pivot pin and screw would make a considerable difference.

This is my best answer so far. Combative Edge PX-41.

If the Spyderhole is a weakness why wouldn't that huge choil be a weakness as well?

 

[fetzer85]

I'd say the opening hole is no bigger liability than the fact that we're using knives that literally fold in half.

Also, saying that you Googled something and found pictures is fairly irrelevant. I bet if you Googled '6 toes' you'd probably see pics of people with 6 toes. Does it mean they're common? No, it just means the world is at your finger tips. [emoji4]

 

[fsatsil]

I don't hide who I am on forums or elsewhere. I let my pride get the better of me mentioning a knife I designed. For that I was wrong and apologize. I was not attempting to sell or promote it, nor did I intend to mention it when I started the thread. You can believe what you wish. I was called a hater and a troll before I ever mentioned my design. Why? It looked to me like it was for questioning something that some people have blind loyalty to. Was I rude or arrogant?

My brother-in-law is the rariety who does hard testing on his knives because he wants to know what they will allow before trusting them in the field. YouTube is full of videos of people doing so with guns and knives. Not many companies do. I decided to ask a large forum of factory and custom knife users about their thoughts, experiences, and opinions. You say your google search for "broken Spyderco" had different results than mine. Here is the screen shot of mine. The first two pictures are both Spyderhole failures.

The first pic of the Southard is not a Spyderhole failure the blade broke where the channel for the internal stop pin is. And your google search pretty much proved the point that the Spyderhole is not a weakness. Don't you think there would be more then a handful of pic if it was really a problem? The Spyderhole has been in use for decades!

 

[benchwarmer380]

You say your google search for "broken Spyderco" had different results than mine. Here is the screen shot of mine. The first two pictures are both Spyderhole failures.




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Look again.

The first picture (Southard) is not broken at the Spyder hole. If I recall correctly, in the Southard, there is some sort of tract (for the stop pin or something) within the tang and there is where it broke at.

Edit: Dang, beaten too it.

 

[Stays Sharp]

Google "broken Spyderco" and the first two images are Spydercos that broke at the Spyder hole. Ken's points made sense. I started the thread wanting to know if Spyderhole failures were even heard of in practical usage or if it was just theoretical beyond extreme torture testindg.

Google broken knife blade and there's like two spydercos out of the first hundred that pops up. What's your point.

 

[Stays Sharp]

Look again.

The first picture (Southard) is not broken at the Spyder hole. If I recall correctly, in the Southard, there is some sort of tract (for the stop pin or something) within the tang and there is where it broke at.

Edit: Dang, beaten too it.

Correct. The Southard was well documented here and the Spyderhole has nothing to do with it.

 

[craytab]

The first pic of the Southard is not a Spyderhole failure the blade broke where the channel for the internal stop pin is. And your google search pretty much proved the point that the Spyderhole is not a weakness. Don't you think there would be more then a handful of pic if it was really a problem? The Spyderhole has been in use for decades!

Yup, he missed that when I pointed it out earlier in post #86.

 

[RockCowles]

I may be in the minority on this, but if you had started this thread with a dealer or knifemaker membership and given us solid evidence that your product had a stronger blade than an equivalent knife with a thumbhole or thumbstud I would have absolutely no problem with any of it. In all honesty, I like the design of the knife you've come up with, the ergos look good and the blade looks useful (though were I in the mood I would buy the very similar Kizer Tomcat for significantly less money).

The issue is this whole thread feels dishonest. I hope you understand that it's almost impossible for us not to conclude that you were attempting to guide us to a specific answer to the question you asked so that you could then show off your product. Maybe that wasn't your intent, but I hope you see that, even if this wasn't intentional, it places you in an extremely bad light.

I appreciate your tactful approach and kind words. From my viewpoint, not having been active on here for sometime, it appears to be a boy's club and a bit of a cesspool. Lots of trolls adding fuel to the fire and jumping on the bandwagon. I've read through the thread several times. It could have easily ended several pages before I mentioned my design. No one who chimed in said I'm a knifemaker, metallurgist, mechanical engineer, or physicist and here is what I know. I got mostly unsubstantiated opinions, but a lot of positive feedback regarding Spyderco. I do have to wonder what some people do in the real world that cutting is the only thing they've ever used a knife for. Ever shelled and eaten oysters?

I know many custom knifemakers, factory reps, and CEOs in the knife industry. I will occasionally open mouth, change feet, but I feel overall I have good rapport and mutual respect with them. I run a knife forum's facebook group with over 1,800 members in it, a prepper group, a military group, and two firearms groups with no problems.

Thanks for your time.

 

[RockCowles]

Look again.

The first picture (Southard) is not broken at the Spyder hole. If I recall correctly, in the Southard, there is some sort of tract (for the stop pin or something) within the tang and there is where it broke at.

Edit: Dang, beaten too it.

You're right. I stand corrected. Thank you.

 

[craytab]

I appreciate your tactful approach and kind words. From my viewpoint, not having been active on here for sometime, it appears to be a boy's club and a bit of a cesspool. Lots of trolls adding fuel to the fire and jumping on the bandwagon. I've read through the thread several times. It could have easily ended several pages before I mentioned my design. No one who chimed in said I'm a knifemaker, metallurgist, mechanical engineer, or physicist and here is what I know. I got mostly unsubstantiated opinions, but a lot of positive feedback regarding Spyderco. I do have to wonder what some people do in the real world that cutting is the only thing they've ever used a knife for. Ever shelled and eaten oysters?

I know many custom knifemakers, factory reps, and CEOs in the knife industry. I will occasionally open mouth, change feet, but I feel overall I have good rapport and mutual respect with them. I run a knife forum's facebook group with over 1,800 members in it, a prepper group, a military group, and two firearms groups with no problems.

Thanks for your time.

Yeah...it is our fault you broke the rules and can't back up your assertions. And apparently our experiences are invalid because we don't use our knives! You'll find that is a tired argument around here.