Are you serious Buck?

[Samon]

Here is an interesting video regarding UK knife laws.

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That video pretty much sums it up. The law is specifically written so it it subjective, and means little thugs can carry 'lethal' knives (lethal stab wound is considered over 3" in depth, hence the blade length part.) around and get away with it. It does mean there is no deffinative answer if a policeman will like your excuse and will procede toa rrest you but it gives you a common sense defence while stripping the undesireables of their weapons.

While I can respect that it costs you more to own one that money doesn't go into the production/performance of the knife. It is still a $30 knife. If you want an $85 knife buy an $85 knife. I don't know what Fallkniven blades go for there but I'd image it is cheaper than we get them here. Maybe look at one of those instead.

I stated pretty plainly that in my opinion you abused a cheap knife and expected too much out of it and stated why. Not sure how that can be seen as patronizing. How should I have said?

I asked a question out of ignorance. I didn't make a statement that could be passed on. I spent a few seconds tacking on a question about it because you obviously know more than me about the subject.

Abused it? I bought the 110 for two reasons. First being it is supposed to be a super tough knife that thousands of trademen have relied on for many mnay years. Second reason is it's an iconic knife, and I very much wanted one for my collection and to use.

I don't want a Fallkniven. I have plenty of very strong knives already, and I didn't like not using my Buck, but when I did use it as a general purpose knife it wasn't suitable.

People saying I'm abusing anything gets annoying over time, it wasn't abused. I didn't throw it, or stab anyone. I poked some wood, split some rabbit bones and cut some sapplings in my garden. If my swiss army knife is still in one piece I would expect my Buck to be, and that's why I'm dissapointed. That and it was actually a gift from my mother.

 

[pinnah]

While I can respect that it costs you more to own one that money doesn't go into the production/performance of the knife. It is still a $30 knife. If you want an $85 knife buy an $85 knife. I don't know what Fallkniven blades go for there but I'd image it is cheaper than we get them here. Maybe look at one of those instead.

I stated pretty plainly that in my opinion you abused a cheap knife and expected too much out of it and stated why. Not sure how that can be seen as patronizing. How should I have said?

I asked a question out of ignorance. I didn't make a statement that could be passed on. I spent a few seconds tacking on a question about it because you obviously know more than me about the subject.

Cost is a factor on non- functional fit and finish issues. If somebody want perfect centering, flush springs, matched scales and other jewelry things, get out the checkbook.

But a $15 Opinel #10 will take insane amounts of abuse without developing blade wobble or lock failure.

Bucks reputation for durability is well earned. I suspect this is a short lives manufacturing hiccup related to the factory move (speculation on my part). No reason why they can't make a durable lock back at that price point. If that disturbs your sense of premium pricing value, at least you have prettier knives.

 

[pinnah]

@samon, I think it's fair to stab and dig and drill wood if and only if you have a spear point (like on your SAKs) or a stout drop point. In this way, I disagree with those calling it abuse. But, given the thin California style clip of the 110, it was unwise. Feature or flaw depends on the owner. But it is how the blade is shaped. Stick to drop points.

@Jill, there may an issue with the thin brass pivot pin. But not the fact that it is peened (non-threaded). Peened pivots can strong and threaded joints can loosen. But can be tightened.

 

[Andrew S]

Cost is a factor on non- functional fit and finish issues. If somebody want perfect centering, flush springs, matched scales and other jewelry things, get out the checkbook.

But a $15 Opinel #10 will take insane amounts of abuse without developing blade wobble or lock failure.

Bucks reputation for durability is well earned. I suspect this is a short lives manufacturing hiccup related to the factory move (speculation on my part). No reason why they can't make a durable lock back at that price point. If that disturbs your sense of premium pricing value, at least you have prettier knives.

Buck 110s are durable and will last a lifetime under regular use. Throw in irregular use and you've got problems. Too be honest though $30 is probably too much to ask for them in the current market of knives. Costs have come down a lot and innovation has crept up over the past couple of decades. Plus the competition from overseas really hurts that price point. The OP having to pay UK prices for one definitely doesn't help.

 

[bertosknives]

It's pretty funny when people say stabbing a rotten fence and breaking a boiled rabbit bone is abuse and any lock woluld fail from this abuse you guys must have some pretty weak ass knives. 99% of my knives including $19 kershaws can easily do this the other 1% are defective and returned. and someone mentioned a benchmade if it was an axis lock that would be pretty hard to believe.

 

[Samon]

Ok, so for an update!

I've emailed with Mr.Hubbard and he asked me waht I wanted to do - new knife, refund, new model etc etc. I said I don't really know and asked him if he could recommend a different model to try.

Mr.Hubbard referred me to the Buck website and two particular model, the 113 and the 195. The 113 looks great and still has that tradtional look and style that partly drew me to the 110 in the first place. So I asked if I could have one of those.

Mr.Hubbard generously said he will post one out to me next week, and I think that is fantastic news. Buck's customer service is the best I've ever had, and I've experienced a wide range in the past.

This is the new knife..I think the design will be more suitable for my uses



I will still buy the Cold Steel Mackinac, but I will always pass ona great word about Buck's superb customer care and warranty!

thanks for the advice gents, feel free to continue this thread with both sides of the subject!

 

[bertosknives]

Its awesome that buck stands behind their product. That 113 does look really nice and alot beefier.

 

[cncpro11]

That 113 looks nice, I may pick one up myself.

 

[pinnah]

Samon, the one thing you can be sure with Buck is their incredible commitment to customer satisfaction. I'm very glad that you hung in there with Buck.

I'm green with envy about the 113 coming your way. Far and away the top of my "to buy" list.

I own both the 110 and the 112, which shares the lines of the 113.

As functional as my Opinels are and as much as I treasure my 110, the 112 is just magical in my hand. There is something about the curl of the front bolster.

Buck 110 and 112 by Pinnah, on Flickr


Drop point, full tang, classic lines. I think you have a winner.

@Buck: job well done, as always

 

[Samon]

I'm really happy Buck have such an awesome service, and although the 110 model wasn't right for me I will give the new one a fair try for a while and see how it holds up. I love the look and style of the clipped blade, and the 112 does look like a real nice pocket rocket! Now if only Buck will have a look at the pivot pin, maybe a little update to the design as I'd love a solid 110 and 112.

Anyone got one of these 113 models already?

 

[Nixelplix]

Well if you develop blade play in the 113, you REALLY abuse your knives. It looks like the tip will be a little stronger, too.

 

[Morrow]

That 113 looks nice, I may pick one up myself.

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

 

[hccaves]

I learned the hard way too. You get what you pay for most of the time.

In most, not all, but most cases this is absolutely true.

Now, on a pair of Nike's your definitely buying the brand name - A good pair of New Balances are not only cheaper, but will probably last longer. A Colt 1911 is going to cost you several hundred dollars more than a S&W 1911 - Is the Colt any better? Probably not.... Is a couple hundred dollar ZT or Emerson going to be fantastic knife? You betcha!

We all live and learn... It's better to buy it right the first time than come back and buy it again and again until one gets it right. Sorry for the rambling, Im sleepy lol - I think youll get my point, though. Good night fella's

 

[Franciscomv]

Samson,I'm glad Buck took care of you. It's great to see such good customer service for buyers outside the US. Buck has a reputation for impecable customer support, it's good that they live up to it.

That 113 looks great. It's one of the very few recent Buck models to catch my attention.

If you're still looking for a good lockback with a bit of traditional flavour, take a look at the EKA Swede 92 with wood handle. Lovely pocket knife, with a much stouter blade than the Buck 110. It's also lighter (no brass bolsters) and the lock release lever is very cleverly located at the butt of the handle.

 

[Oakengroves]

Great customer support.

...Some may love those "classic" and "timeless" designs, but the old 110 series has a certain ancient, "Deliverance" sort of appearance that has always struck me as underwhelming. Never really bought into the whole "ye gilded wooden yon knife" appearance of the 110, and it is, sadly, rendered somewhat obsolete given the wide spread availability of lighter, stronger, and sleeker knives. But to each their own.

 

[PatrickKnight]

My wife got me a new 110 for Christmas two years ago and it has been in my pocket more often over that time than any other knife I own. I guess I got lucky on mine as I have zero blade play and rock solid lock up on it. Now the blade is slightly off center but as long as it isnt rubbing the liners I could care less (this goes for all my folders no matter the cost).

My father has used Buck knives for years with no problems so they are what I grew up using. They have always had a place in my heart and collection. I have always had GREAT experiences with Bucks customer service and think a lot of knife companies could learn a whole bunch from Buck in that area.

Now on to that 113 I NEED ONE OF THOSE!!!

 

[lionknife]

Cabela's has Buck model 113 in cpm s30v steel . I own one .

 

[mael333ca]

You get what you paid for and Buck knives are on the cheaper side ofc, BUT, I've found that the fit and finish were better on my FG 112 and my chairman 110 then on my two Cabela's S30V 110s...those two disappointed me...yes some blade play out of the box, but most disappointing was that when closing the blade, the tip actually hit the spacer in the handle...screwing up the wicked edge it did came with...easy fix, I just cut a small piece of cork that I squeezed in there....On one of thethe lock bar does not even meet the blade well, leaving it sticking at about 1mm of the handle liners...for a 100$ 110 this is quite inexcusable!

I have the Buck Punk which I really like...but the tip snapped off doing light carving...I still like though, I would just grind a small portion of the top to meet back with the edge...easy fix...sitll for a 120$...it does suck...

and then there's their 420HC...another company which offers a certain «value line» bearing 8cr13mov blows away Buck Knives...both in quality of the material, design and fit & finish...HELLO buck!?! time to upgrade that steel back to 440C at least...and cut the crap with all that hollow grinding...jeez...some full flat ones would be winners...

But Buck is not all bad, I really like My CSAR-T folder in ats-34, My vantage force is superb at the 50$ price that I got it at, while my vantage force Avid has many issues...ah buck!

Let's just say that, once you get into knives, Buck's line no longer fits the bill. There are decent enough for newbies still.

 

[salmonkiller]

Well, my problem with the 110 mainly is the weight. If I am going to carry that much weight I want a tougher blade and knife.

I agree and exactly why I currently carry a BM Adamas and not a Buck 110. 30 years ago the 110 was the knife that I carried and it served me well.You get what you pay for and they don't make them like they used to is my opinion.....I think for around $100 you can get a pretty darn good knife if you do your research...I am a hunter and have dressed,skinned,boned(including breaking) and quartered many animals(wild boar, deer,rabbit,turkey,duck) that I have harvested with a Spyderco Manix that I payed $80 for without ever having any issues...I treat my knives with respect and use them as tools.

 

[Poez]

I like to think that I know how to use knifes with skill and respect. Some people like abusing them, not caring - and are proud of it. It looks like the other way is all the hype these days and people want all and every knife to be up to it: or it is considered crap... That's all there is in it for me: all about that new kind of proud user/abuser, knives themselves are pretty much secondary.