Armageddon/ Apocalypse......what's ya thoughts ?

joshuabl said:
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Mad max says everything's gonna be just fine. :)
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That's what I'm waiting for, take away Max's hair and that's me and Maisy right there !!!:D
 
I've always liked the following video.

[video=youtube;p86BPM1GV8M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M[/video]

PS. Pit, You've gotta post a pic of yourself in your mad-max outfit, I thought you were more of a cotton man, but I guess vinyl has its place to.
 
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Alvaro Candanedo said:
Maybe is the doctor in me speaking, but Why wait until we (mankind) reach (or provoque) the Apocalypsis? It wouldn't be wiser, to prevent it, with population control, protection of the environment, finding new, renewbable energy sources, etc? Who would want to live in a "Book of Eli" world?
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I sure don't want to live in a "book of Eli" world. Am I prepared for that eventuality? Maybe not. Am I prepared/preparing for people with the worst of intentions for me and my family to come down my driveway, and to subsequently perforate as many of them as possible? Yes. Am I preparing for gas prices to skyrocket, availability to fall flat, and rioting in the streets of suburbia? Yes. How? I've retreated to the country. I've armed myself, very well. I've got solar. I've got a garden. I can hunt. I can fish. I can trap. I can defend myself. I have bug-out capabilities. My car harbors "get-home" capabilities. Maybe we won't see a total collapse of society like the fall of Rome in our lifetime (that certainly isn't to say it can't happen). But we certainly will see another Rodney King Riots case. We'll see another Katrina-level disaster. We'll see oil skyrocket.

I'm readying for those occurrences. Riots, civil unrest, economic collapse, food shortages.

I don't want any of those things to happen. I'd rather that my preps (garden, guns, solar) only augment me with free electricity, a sense of security, and a supply of food for cheap. But if things go sour, I have them.

I have allies (close friends) whom I would band together with in a disaster. Many members of my community have been turned onto prepping by me via showing off my garden, gun collection, solar array, or meat freezer at backyard barbecues, dinner parties and such. These people have become allies. If things went south, I could count on them to help rebuild. We would work together to maintain law and order in our community.
 
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I'm someone who isn't very religious, so I'll try to look at it from somewhat of an anthropological-ish angle

The Ninth Avatar of Vishnu (India)

Ragnarok (Scandinavia)

Apocalypse/Armageddon (Mediterranean)

Saoshyant's "Frashokereti"/Renovation of the World (Persia/Middle East to Central Asia)

Hopi Indian Prophecy (North American)

End of the Mayan "Long Count" (Baktun) Cycle (South America)


^ In all of those above stated cultural (specifically religious to mystical) traditions, ALL of them simply to point to a transition, not an actual "end" of everything.

And if you're physics minded, there are the Three Laws of Thermodynamics, wherein the Third Law (Entropy) gets a lot of attention.

Simply a change as with the seasons and reasons in everything. . . and I can only hope it is for the better for the next ones.
 
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I'm kind of like whatever happens happens kind of guy.Does worrying about it drive my life,no.I used to dwell on it more when I was younger(49 now).Could I hold off a small army for awhile,certainly.
 
We have several, depending on different circumstances.

We actually picked the great basin location due to rolling the dice on global climate change possibilities. And I'll note that while the drought makes all the headlines, it's going to be northern Nevada exporting the breeding stock and hay for the cattle industry this winter!

In terms of pandemics, we're in a bit of a bind as my wife is a nurse and there's a certain level of commitment- depending on the nature of the pandemic. But we live on a couple acres and the "distance" effect is decent. We could head out into the big empty and know where a lot of the lakes, springs, streams and such are. But we can also close the gate and sit pretty for a while.

We have a fair amount of trade goods stockpiled- some silver and some gold in jewelry form, but the truth is that a lot of that becomes worth considerably less if there is a disaster where basic survival needs aren't being met. So we've got plenty of spare hunting gear and long term stable food- and our living foods. (goats, chickens, orchard, garden)

We do have runaway plans but the truth is that there's a lot of terribly successful strategies for large families with small children running the nomad-hunter game.

Probably our best survival plans are based around community. When we moved to this place outside of Fallon, one of my decision factors was the presence of large and (mostly) functional veteran's organizations. That, coupled with the "rancher mafia" menas that in any large scale disaster (that isn't something like a nuke on the naval air station runway) we can function as a region. Posses controlling the canals for irrigation, and managing our cattle and hay and goats in the region would get a fairly stable - even export oriented- regional survival system going.

We do have to worry about Reno and to a lesser extent Carson, both of which are quite a haul, but close enough and involved in our water supplies enough that we would have to deal with them. But I've looked at the numbers with some other vets around and it would be doable.
 
skyhorse said:
What's going on nowadays isn't new at all,just history repeating itself.
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Well, yes and no. once you get above 4.5 billion people, it's a pretty serious set of differences. You (based on location) and I are more or less removed from it- but even in the Big Empty in NV and anywhere in NM, there's been some changes.

What hasn't changed is that there are changes, cycles, crashes, and booms. Overall, as a species, we've done pretty good so far. We can do better, of course.
 
ROCK6 said:
I have a pretty strong faith, but that doesn’t play in any type of current or future calamity or apocalypse; when the “time” comes, it comes.

Until that moment, life will continue on…with its natural hills and valleys along the road. How many times in history did religious people think apocalypse was just around the corner…either globally or just locally?

I personally don’t think global warming is relevant…the Earth will continue to cycle as it always has and humans are nothing more than a small rash on the skin of a much larger living body. I only say that as we give ourselves too much credit to think we can “destroy” this planet. Sure, we can do a lot of damage to flora and fauna, but we would exterminate ourselves long before destroying the plant on a global level (just my opinion). We do a pretty good job of pollution, local environmental changes (think erosion, deforestation and consuming water sources) and impact the environments from overpopulation.

Even if you’re not a religious person who believes in creation you can’t deny that we are still subject the laws of nature despite our advantages of technology and cognitive skills. Just as the laws of nature impact other creatures, we are subject as well but on a different scale and for different reasons. Just like most animals we are competitive and fight for resources, territory and even dominance…although our impact is on a great scale. Due to our increased populations, environmental disasters have a much greater impact…think massive droughts, famines, diseases, hurricanes, tornados, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, wild-fires, etc. We also add our own impacts from war, genocide or even break-downs in our technological adaptations that modify the environment to create farm land, power, etc from low lying areas or flood plains.

Preparation shouldn’t have any religious or fanatical connotations…in my opinion it’s just prudent practices that even animals practice. Squirrels store food and there are other examples of animals preparing for changes in seasons or cyclical changes to the environments. I know there is always concerns of financial calamities, breakdowns in supplies to food and water and of course the follow on riots and “civil” breakdown in more populated areas. Although we see it as “civil-unrest”, how is it different in predator and prey population adjustments? When the primary sources of water or food are disrupted, competition kills man of the predators off…resulting in the balance shift back to an increase in food and other resources. War, famine, diseases and natural disasters are the balancing impacts of nature and human nature. I do see all life as sacred, but Nature doesn’t take sides or discriminate…it affects all and we are subject regardless of the measure we take.

So, just like the squirrel or bear…keep enough food (and water) on hand and take precautions to weather the storm and season. Whether religion is a part of your life or not, you have a responsibility to be prepared; even the Bible stresses the importance of being prepared and not just spiritually.

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Well said Rock6 ! I agree 100%
 
kfgk14 said:
I sure don't want to live in a "book of Eli" world. Am I prepared for that eventuality? Maybe not. Am I prepared/preparing for people with the worst of intentions for me and my family to come down my driveway, and to subsequently perforate as many of them as possible? Yes. Am I preparing for gas prices to skyrocket, availability to fall flat, and rioting in the streets of suburbia? Yes. How? I've retreated to the country. I've armed myself, very well. I've got solar. I've got a garden. I can hunt. I can fish. I can trap. I can defend myself. I have bug-out capabilities. My car harbors "get-home" capabilities. Maybe we won't see a total collapse of society like the fall of Rome in our lifetime (that certainly isn't to say it can't happen). But we certainly will see another Rodney King Riots case. We'll see another Katrina-level disaster. We'll see oil skyrocket.

I'm readying for those occurrences. Riots, civil unrest, economic collapse, food shortages.

I don't want any of those things to happen. I'd rather that my preps (garden, guns, solar) only augment me with free electricity, a sense of security, and a supply of food for cheap. But if things go sour, I have them.

I have allies (close friends) whom I would band together with in a disaster. Many members of my community have been turned onto prepping by me via showing off my garden, gun collection, solar array, or meat freezer at backyard barbecues, dinner parties and such. These people have become allies. If things went south, I could count on them to help rebuild. We would work together to maintain law and order in our community.
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Obviously, you have thougth out the things well and I'm particularly glad that you have friends that are willing and able to help you. But events like Katrina, or the tsunami in Japan, are not going to cause the situation described by the OP. We are speaking about a global event where all the social rules, the supply of food, medical care etc., are just going to be non-existent. Take me for example: I need to take 2 different blood pressure medications every day. What it's going to happen when there is no more medication anywhere? I'll tell you: a stroke, a heart attack or something like that. What about levels of pollution where the very air is unbreathable. And lets not think that it cannot happen. Just to mention one city where this already happens: Mexico City, just because the numbers of cars.
I think that this kind of scenario it's not that farfetched, maybe it's not going to happen overnigth, but IT CAN HAPPEN.
Best regards.
 
Alvaro Candanedo said:
Obviously, you have thougth out the things well and I'm particularly glad that you have friends that are willing and able to help you. But events like Katrina, or the tsunami in Japan, are not going to cause the situation described by the OP. We are speaking about a global event where all the social rules, the supply of food, medical care etc., are just going to be non-existent. Take me for example: I need to take 2 different blood pressure medications every day. What it's going to happen when there is no more medication anywhere? I'll tell you: a stroke, a heart attack or something like that. What about levels of pollution where the very air is unbreathable. And lets not think that it cannot happen. Just to mention one city where this already happens: Mexico City, just because the numbers of cars.
I think that this kind of scenario it's not that farfetched, maybe it's not going to happen overnigth, but IT CAN HAPPEN.
Best regards.
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I think my preps allow me to be self-reliant enough that I could go a while without noticing the lack of those things, aside from the solitude and the fact I'd have to be vigilant of roaming criminals. I'd eventually run out of things, though. My battery bank would eventually die. My crops may fail.
If there was some world-wide disaster of that scale, it very well could out-do my preps. If that happens, well, I die.
I certainly am not ruling out that eventuality.
 
I changed my avatar a while ago because I like to look at the bright side of things.
 
mtwarden said:
an apocalypse thread without a mention of zombies- unthinkable!
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LOL. But on a more serious note, maybe not "living deads", but how about refugees? Starving and/or sick people, desperate enough to steal or kill? In almost any war in history, there have been documented cases of cannibalism.
 
I have had enough people say stuff like " I know where to go when things get rough" that I was starting to get paranoid for a while .

I have no issue with helping anyone but I DO have issue with people whose idea of preparation is to earmark others they can sponge off if things go bad .

I knew an old guy who came in from the bush , lived in his govt house , and found all of his family who were kicked out of their houses for not paying rent or just destroying the places came to visit .. and didnt leave . Eventually the old guy handed his key back and left the community proper and lived in a humpy he built on the outskirts . Just some sheets of tin and bark , his fire , his dog and his swag . Funnily enough , his family was not nearly so keen to move in with him any more . They all drifted off to other peoples places . His reasoning was if they cared to see *him* theyd come see him at his humpy , they all knew where he was , if it was his house they wanted , there were plenty of other houses they can visit .

I thought Id take a leaf out of the old guys book , and go traditional myself in some ways and see if people who were so keen to come knocking before were the same .

Next time there was people over , I cooked up a feed for them , using wild greens and a goat that I got ( legally too fwiw ) they loved it and when they asked what it was I told them .. wild radish and a few other weeds as greens and feral goat seasoned with salt bush

Not a one of them hung around long at all , none mentioned Id be a good guy to know in case of .. and for some odd reason , I have a whole lot of peace and quiet nowdays :)

I dunno that I could pull that same stunt on hordes of invading starving refugees tho . Maybe a fake McDonalds Drive Thru sign to distract them while I run wouldnt hurt .
 
Alvaro Candanedo said:
Obviously, you have thougth out the things well and I'm particularly glad that you have friends that are willing and able to help you. But events like Katrina, or the tsunami in Japan, are not going to cause the situation described by the OP. We are speaking about a global event where all the social rules, the supply of food, medical care etc., are just going to be non-existent....
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Not seeing it. Not here. Oh, there may be some crazy fuedalism thing going on if things get really bad. Or a timocracy. But out here there's too much make do, too much independence, and too much infrastructure in ranching for a global social meltdown for the great basin to read like California in the Change series or anything like that.

There'd be plenty of ugly, yes. but "every man for himself?" ... nah.
 
pitdog said:
With so much unrest in the world right, global warming and talk of solar flares etc what are ya thoughts ?
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I think in 2012 there will be wars, famine, political/economic unrest, disease, bad weather, earth quakes, volcanoes, tidal waves.....etc....etc.... Yea know the usual stuff that goes on every year. I have a BOB ready just incase the usual stuff shows up at my door.
 
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