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Todd, I think it would be impossible to stay mad at a face like that.:D
By the way, I sent you that thing I said I would.

C-bear, That really sucks. Hopefully there will be some way to prove what happened and you get at least some of your stuff back.

Warrior, you are freakin' killing me with the photos of that stove. I see one in my near future. I wonder if any of the sporting goods stores in Springfield carry those.
 
No, THEIR insurance. If you're renting from somebody, that rental company has an insurance policy, which may insure against theft - find out.

Wait... wut?!? I... hmmmmm... I'll talk to them Monday. I was gonna play a new game that is sweeping St. Louis. But that seems like it would get me out of having to do jail time.
 
Todd, I think it would be impossible to stay mad at a face like that.:D
By the way, I sent you that thing I said I would.

C-bear, That really sucks. Hopefully there will be some way to prove what happened and you get at least some of your stuff back.

Warrior, you are freakin' killing me with the photos of that stove. I see one in my near future. I wonder if any of the sporting goods stores in Springfield carry those.

Never seen any in Springfield.
 
C-bear, that blows. I hate thieves. Working in retail means I see them more'n I'd like and it always gets me so angry. Hope you get some sort of closure out of that.
 
The Emberlit is a great stove. Another stove I'm looking forward to testing this weekend is the Bushbox XL.

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I bought an accessory shelf so that I can also use an alcohol burner up top.

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And the grill plate for the top. Steak is on the menu soon.

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Folds down in a snap.

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Here are the parts. The trivets click into the side of the stove for storage.

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You guys all know about the pup we got for our kids for Christmas. Well, its actually going well, she's growing fast and we all love her. However, she's still a pup and pup have accidents. However, today there must of been some kinda strange phenomenom that causes house pets to explode. She's been doing really well with potty training so when the wife and I decided to go out for dinner tonight we didn't think much of putting her in her pin for a hour or so. When we got back, guess what, she had a accidient and even was kind enough to stomp it and lay in it. Whadda mess! :barf: so I picked her up, my son took her outside. After about 5 minutes, he brought her in, and as soon as she stepped into the door she vomited all over the place. WTF? If THAT wasn't bad enough. My wifes cat wanted to get in on the action and celebrated all of this good news by gurgin a hairball all over our leather couch! Whatta great time that all was. So, I'm in the kids bathroom giving the dog a bath and the wife is scrubbing carpet. I don't remember my kids being this hard to take care of! :rolleyes:

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Wow she is really growing fast! Love that sad sack look :)

CBear, sorry to hear that, I hate friggin' thieves.
 
I understand your agravation with LE. Sometimes, things just don't go the way you want them to go. I feel bad when I hear of this type of thing because, well, TM, the truth hurts and noone wants to hear what I'm about to tell you about fingerprint collection and identification. They are a pain in the arse, and rarely lead to anything significant. Now, keep in mind though, I would not have told you that at the scene. I would have told you what is below and maybe an understanding could have been reached in some way. I will say this at the start. Yes, they did you wrong and should have collected the print, I would have. Would it have done any good other than making you feel better? Probably not.

This is just the basics when dealing with prints. Fingerprints are an odd animal in the LE realm. 1) You have to know how to lift them, and although each cop may have a baseline knowledge, and its a perishable skill. 2) it takes a very long time to get the knowledge base on how to lift them properly (chemicals, surfaces, how biological fluid influence the print and the ability to retain said lifted print) And, the cop investigating might just be intimidated by having to throw powder and search for "useable" prints. Some of those powders are not enviromentally/person friendly, point blank, they are dangerous. In the past, I've had really good prints I ID'd at a scene but through some snafu the print didn't lift correctly and was ruined. I did take an outstanding close up photo before lifting it and that really saved me in that instance. 3) Each crime scene is diffrent and very rarely are there any "CSI type full distquishable prints" most are smudges (no good) and partials (sort of no good). 4) You have to obtain elimination prints from everyone you have ever known who has been in the space (practically) so that they can be compared to the lifted print. That includes palms, and thumrolls, etc etc. 5) The person who left the print, if not in the group of elimination prints has to have been fingerprinted sometime in their lives (juvenilles for one are rarely printed), and those prints have to have been uploaded into AFIS (automated fingerprint identification sysytem) at somepoint by someone for some reason. LE depends on computer added identifcation because the days of Serpico are gone. It's maddening and time consuming (not to say anyone is not worth the effort) and its rare that a fingerprint will prove anything except that at some point the person touched the surface where the print was obtained/collected. Having said all of that who hah. It's better to lift the print as best can be done, then wait for the investigation to provide information pointing to a particualr person. This usually occurrs through interviews, developing leads, eye-witness accounts (if any), pawn shop checks, yada yada yada.

Thanks for the info Tom, I know its not all as easy as its made out on T.V. and if the officer I mentioned would of givin me half the explination you did, I could of been a little better behaved. The thing of it was that really got me mad is obviously the whole family was upset about what just happened and the unprofessionalism of the investigating officer was through the roof. Like you said, he could of at least said something to make us feel better oppossed the just being a obvious d__k. I think that's what bothered me most was the disrespect. Esspecially when my mother in law was there and in tears.
 
Todd, I think it would be impossible to stay mad at a face like that.:D
By the way, I sent you that thing I said I would.

C-bear, That really sucks. Hopefully there will be some way to prove what happened and you get at least some of your stuff back.

Warrior, you are freakin' killing me with the photos of that stove. I see one in my near future. I wonder if any of the sporting goods stores in Springfield carry those.


CB, I did get a notification, ......... it said "YOU ROCK!" :D
 
Wait... wut?!? I... hmmmmm... I'll talk to them Monday.

Never trust a landlord. Tenant law can be tricky, and they know full well that most people don't know their rights, or how to fight back if they've been screwed.

Mornin JT, got any coffee a brewin?

We don't even own a coffee maker... I have some nice fresh caffeine-free Coke in the fridge if you want one, though :)
 
We don't even own a coffee maker... I have some nice fresh caffeine-free Coke in the fridge if you want one, though :)

Ack.
I got some for ya, Todd. And there's extra, since no food or drink for me until some dentistry is complete today. :(
 
Never trust a landlord. Tenant law can be tricky, and they know full well that most people don't know their rights, or how to fight back if they've been screwed.



We don't even own a coffee maker... I have some nice fresh caffeine-free Coke in the fridge if you want one, though :)

You don't drink coffee? :eek: My God man. How do you function?

Ack.
I got some for ya, Todd. And there's extra, since no food or drink for me until some dentistry is complete today. :(

Thanks daizee. But don't fix any for just me. Sucks you gotta go to the dentist. Hope they give you some of that gas! That kinda fun.
 
You don't drink coffee? :eek: My God man. How do you function?

We don't either. Although we do have a coffee maker for when the in-laws come. We drink mainly tea. More health benefits and none of the health issues, and most people don't know that one teaspoon of loose leaf tea, with an infuser, can make enough tea for the entire day for one person. So you can get really nice tea, and still have it be cost effective.
 
Unfortunately as far as my experience goes you are correct. My wifes grandpa got sick years back and had to move into my mother in laws house to be taken care of. Which left his house which was full of the antiques he spent all of his life collecting, and no one there. Of coarse, it got broke into and totally ransacked. Bastards stole over 50k worth of stuff. The next day the niegbors saw the back door hanging open and called my mother in law, who in turn called me, I beat the police there and who ever broke in did so by breaking a window. when they did, not only did they evidently cut themselves. ( there was a couple of drops of blood) but there was clear finger prints all over the window and the back door that they unlocked to go out of. The police told me that there wasn't enough evidence OR clear fingerprints to pursue a case. Its Bullsh!t and I knew it. I told the cop why didn't he just be man enough to tell me my family wasn't important enough for them to give a sh!t about. He told me if I continued shooting off my mouth that I would be spending the night in jail.......I told him I would believe that because it didn't require any work............A$$HOLES!

That's not a legit reason to throw someone in jail but the b!tch of it is that if they did, you can't resist. You have to go along with it and lawyer up after and sue the department. That goes for any time a cop wants to violate your rights. Most of the cops I've known or have dealt with are pleasant people who wouldn't do something like that. But there's enough A-holes to give all of them a bad image.

Yea that is bull$hit right there!! Its all too common too, but i bet you when its one their houses they check and print EVERYTHING!!

The house me and my family live in now was robbed about a year ago while me and my family was camping, we got back home and called the cops at 5pm, the cops showed up at midnight. the thief used a hammer to break a window in the back of the house, it was their hammer that they brought with them and then just left it on the ground when they were done. When the cops showed up they didnt even look at the broken window, or even come into the house. The stood on my porch and asked what was stolen and wrote a list, then they told me if they happened to find someone with the stuff on that list they would let me know but i shouldnt hold my breath. I asked them to come inside but they said they had no need to, i was like WTF do you mean, your not even going to look at the hammer or check the window? one of the cops said they didnt have time to and there was less than 10 percent chance they would ever find the person or update me on the case. I was mad as hell but at least he didnt lie to me and say he couldnt get prints off glass :rolleyes:

Maybe tell them one of the stolen items is a gun. I bet that would make them look a heck of a lot harder. But then you run the risk of being busted for falsifying a police report. So probably don't do that.


Ruger's perspective: they made "this gun". then they made the EXACT same gun in feel and ergos, but in 10/22. one was for hunting, one for was off season training and fun.

that's it.

not a mini-14, not m14, not m1 or m1a. those are COMPLETELY different mechanisms. cool though they may be.

next! :D

trivia: "this gun" is one of Ethan's favorite.

i own one :D

Don't know why I didn't mention the .44 carbines. I forget their names but there was a tube-fed and a mag-fed version. If someone would have come out with mags for them that held more than 4 rounds I probably would have bought one.


the PMR-30 is the current king of 30 round .22 wmrs...

it's ancestor is the one you speak of, and design by the same buy, Kelgren. that should give you a hint.

KelTec has a new model, "on hold", looks like an H&K MP7, carbine, same magazines as the PMR-30, and totally sexy. i want two.

Screw hints. If I cared I'd just go back to the store and look at the dang thing. I remember when the announced the carbine. Let me know when they make it in a centerfire caliber. Or rather, don't bother because Kel-tec sucks.
 
You don't drink coffee? :eek: My God man. How do you function?

I run on pure stubbornness and liberal doses of medicinal bourbon :D

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Tradewater!!!! Did you get my PM the other day? Thanks for the haul man!
 
Tradewater!!!! Did you get my PM the other day? Thanks for the haul man!


Glad you like it. Try it for breakfast with a bowl of cereal. My favorite way enjoy a nice piece of jerky is with a Black & Tan on the river bank after sex.
 
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